Astrology in other worlds

[MkM84]

I've been thinking very universal lately and was imagining the possibility of other earth like planets that may exist in far off galaxies...keep reading, it is entirely astrologically based.

...as astrology is so very real and works for us humans with our solar system and it's archetypes...

...my mind lead me to wonder if "astrology" works for the creatures of existence that may live on another planet, in another solar system, in another galaxy.

If other human-like intelligent beings in the three dimensional realm are existing in other constellations then they would inevitably have their own solar system that would affect their existence as we are ruled by our own heavenly bodies and we use astrology to articulate this energy.

Their system would inevitably be entirely different. They may not have as many planets in their solar system. Or maybe they have many more. If they had many more planets, maybe this would produce more highly evolved beings, or more personality types to deal with, as their birth charts would carry the influences of more than ten heavenly bodies, plus who knows what else...asteroids, moons (think big) etc.

It fascinates me what sort of beings could be "incarnated" because of the solar system in question. I mean, do we physically look the way we look because of some evolutionary process (personally I don't believe so), or do we look the way we look because the solar system that we are incarnated in??

So this whole theory of astrology existing on other earth-like planets in other galaxies comes from knowing that astrology is real for us here on earth and has the biggest effect on our existence.

It also came to mind because our astrological understanding is only based on our solar system. So any human-like creature that exists outside of our solar system cannot be for example, a "libra", or a "capricorn" but they would obviously have an identity because they exist. So this identity that they have would be based on their solar system and the archetypal energies that exist in that solar system. Whether they have an understaning of the influence of heavenly bodies on their lives is irrevelant, we know inevitably that there would have to be "astrological" explanations for the way they are.

Maybe they are highly advanced and have their own system of "astrology" and depending on their language and/or communicative processes, they'd have a different "name" for astrology. It's interesting to think about this because just because their planet would inevitably revolve around a sun would not necessarily mean that a "leo" type of energy would exist in that system. What sort of "personalities" could be produced on other earth-like planets? Are the twelve signs that we are so familiar with, a universal archetype that works in other constellations? I wouldn't think so because why would the exact same constellation exist in another galaxy so it can give the inhabitants of the earth-like planet the same energy as another planet? It wouldn't because earth is for "humans" and the human experience is based on positive and negative influence.

So that gets you thinking about why there is only twelve signs and we give each sign thirty degrees and it works perfectly. How can it work so perfectly? It's just amazing. Say, in this theory on this other earth-like planet that they only have four planets in their solar system and maybe for example (totally hypothetical inventive sag in uranus thinking here) eight "astrologically used" constellations then their natal chart would appear quite different to our equally divided twelve piece but if their system works, it works.

Who knows, I don't know if any of you have ever wondered about this sort of thing before but I just wanted to put it out there and hear some of your thoughts on this otherworldy, universal concept of astrology.

If you've read this far, thank you and please post your thoughts.

[Nexus7]

I do like SF, in some books here aresome quasi-astrological ramblings about the planetary seasons that have shaped their aliens.

It is only the current prejuduce towards the idea that our ecosystem and geography surely has to include moon, sun and planets, that makes it easier to discount the way these affect us here.

But a being from a binary planet, or even one with several stars, two moons, or whatever, might notice things about our rhythms or cycles that we might not, because we are so up close.

[JayM]

I have read your post and I have some thoughts. I have always wondered this, how would you determine someones chart if they were born in outer space??? Lets say on a shuttle or a spacestation? How would you find out their chart? Would it be possible to have venus oppose sun if you were born at a point inbetween the sun and venus? I think it might be.

What if it was just sun earth and the moon? All we would be is our sun sign and our moon sign.

As for your thoughts on evolution, what if evolution was based on astrology and planetary transits? I think it might be possible that it is. For example, whenever the sun sqares pluto or uranus, that may challenge organisms to change or try harder to evolve. Various transits may affect every organism on earth to change somehow, I belive that is very possible.

The entire system of astrology is possibly based on the planetary "salt" energies that come from the other planets in our solar system.

Tell me your thoughts

[Nexus7]

Your starting point is whichever planetary body or satelite you are born on. By 'satellite' I would not necessarily mean 'moon but 'space station.' The co-ordinates would use this point os the central frame of reference.

On the Moon, Earth wouls assume massive importance, on Mars, it's an old joke of mine, but I do wonder how te astrologer of the future will counsel a Martian who might have afflictions to his or her Phobos.

But imagine having a base on one of Jupiter's moons. Then, there is a whole family of Jovian moons to consider, the parent body Jupiter, as well as the Sun.

Then again, in the case of a binary star, the astrologer would have to bring both suns into the equation. And what if one was a black hole?

That would be something to interpret.

Otherwise, if the sapceship was in the far reaches, then the Captain would just have to note the stardate and keep noting tose co-ordinates.

[Caprising]

Excellent question M.K. , For the creationists, consider this: Whoever seeded life on planet earth, or maybe I should say "whoever has control over planet earth at this point in time" , obviously has a different personality to the average joe blow from downtown planet earth. If we astrologers had any say there would be no suffering, everyone would enjoy life to the max, and would feel "great" just to be here. Unfortunately this isn't a reflection of the status quo, just have a search through this forum to find people who have had to endure all different kinds of experiences. It almost seems like the "gods" want us to suffer a bit, so maybe they are lacking empathetic planetary combinations in their solarsystem. Does this mean that they are "cold"..... It would depend on whose veiwpoint you were looking from, maybe they would consider "us" to be overly emotional, dreamers, unrealistic, weak willed even, but then they don't have to contend with the same planetary combinations that we do, so they wouldn't really know what it's like to be a human in todays earth reality. The fact that different solar systems have different "years" in comparison to ours would fit with the original ancient texts where the "gods" say things like "1 day in our kingdom is 3600 years for you earthlings". It would seem that some of us humans have "evolved emotionally/mentally/spiritually, and have left the original creators behind as far as personal growth is concerned. Maybe thats the purpose of planet earth, to enable people to evolve so that they may move up to a higher level of existance! One would certainly hope so!

[Spungie]

First of all, love the thread. I struggled to read everyone's coments cause I was too keen to get tapping...

Firstly, JayM, I belive you are absolutely right about evolution being controlled by the movements of the planets. 'Nuff said.
Caprising; It is clear that the rules of the universe, or the gods, or some being we are subject to, does 'want us to suffer'. As you say, we all have a cross to bear. That is the way it is and it is a law greater than any law we could enforce. I see pain as a means to an end, for our growth. I'm unsure if it gets many people anwhere i guess thats a different question.

Anyway, my opinion:

I belive that the energies of the signs come from the 'world of stars'. These stars have a massive gravitaional feild and collectively they affect things from a very great distance, so the solar systems nearest to our own will have similar signs* So, for example the direction of saggitarius is more happy go lucky, or at least, that kind of energy comes from that direction.

To do astrology we need the magic number (pi): We need a circle. Because we exist in 3 dimentions (we need to mark out what is all around us) and because time can only be depicted in cycles. (or one long stupid line, forever, doesnt seem logical to me doing that though)

*I do not know the importance of the number 12, weather or not there are other numbers that could be used I am unsure (it is a multiple of three, wich I belive to be a sacred number, it is progessive).

I belive the character of a star creates/channles (and/or is created by the combination of) the character of its subordinates, the planets. The same repeats with their subordinates the moons. I think you were touching on this Nexus.

I belive this is why a chart is the way it is, there can be astrology without the observation of planets (mayan astrology i think is an example), this would only take into account your unchanging PURPOSE or CHARACTER, your inner yogi. The planets drive your changing moods and describe WHAT YOU ARE DRIVEN TO DO in the moment.

This is only half of what I am compelld to say; Think about relativity. Mass and velocity slows down clocks. I belive they CREATE TIME. In all its dimentions. I just wanted to add that to the pot before I finally shut the hell up.
Heheh.

I look forward to more ideas,
Spungie.