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thank you again!Zarathu is now a closed account - they advocated COSMODYNES
links to their website are quoted
👋🏼👋🏼👋🏼 Greetings from a scientific astrologer
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Popular western astrology, house systems, not predictable enough and no statistics to back it up.
Hmmm.... Create my own software? Because I can! (if I had time... )
"Astrology is an art"... therein is my problem with Popular western astrology.
"Derivation, Intuition" I don't want derivation or intuition. I want rules and facts that are demonstrable, repeatable and verifiable. That is what I found.
Planetary symbolism is refined... Orbs are much narrower, 4 dimensions and planetary geometry tells it all with the most exact being the most powerful geometry. With multi-dimensional aspects, just start multiplying, by 2 for their influence for each dimension you find the same planets in. The more planets in the geometry, the more powerful the geometry. Pretty awesome stuff.
Is is easy? Oh heck no. It's kind of like remembering all your rules for algebra, geometry, statistics and calculus. But once you got it... so so so accurate.
DD, I look forward to reading more of your posts.
I don't think astrology is scientific in the sense of chemistry, astronomy, or theoretical geophysics. Astrologers are consumers of science, however, notably astronomy. I note that several respected fields that aren't sciences are empirical, like history and law (based heavily on case studies.) Astrology, like history, is empirical but not a true science. Maybe astrology can become scientific in the future. Maybe quantum physics can help us out in the future, but it and astrology are nowhere near there, yet.
We don't know how astrology works (when it does,) and I have yet to see an explanation that holds up to scrutiny. Horary astrology, perhaps the branch that best lends itself to testing, completely blows up any ideas about planetary cause-and-effect.
Having said that, anyone who doubts the mathematical basis of astrology never tried to calculate a horoscope by hand. House systems have generated all kinds of debate-- not just based on interpretive value, but on their mathematical assumptions. Here is a good article on the mathematical assumptions of different house systems: https://pdfcoffee.com/an-astrological-house-formulary-pdf-free.html
It's also important to realize that astrology-- at least until recently-- was never truly based on observation of the purported link between planetary positions and human outcomes. The Mesopotamians who invented astrology thought the planets were gods. The gods-- according to their individual natures-- would surely influence human affairs. Although the Mesopotamians recorded many celestial observations, these were all within the mindsets of prior beliefs about the nature of the various gods. As the Babylonian gods morphed into the more familiar Greek and Roman deities, astrology's basic assumptions about planetary natures and rulerships didn't change much.
I personally think that a lot of astrology is based on intuition, but that doesn't necessarily make it woo-woo. Neuroscience will probably have a lot more to say about how human intuition works, as this discipline develops.
If Magi astrology has found better methods than the predominant types of astrology today., it would be worth knowing about.
I don't think astrology is scientific in the sense of chemistry, astronomy, or theoretical geophysics. Astrologers are consumers of science, however, notably astronomy. I note that several respected fields that aren't sciences are empirical, like history and law (based heavily on case studies.) Astrology, like history, is empirical but not a true science. Maybe astrology can become scientific in the future. Maybe quantum physics can help us out in the future, but it and astrology are nowhere near there, yet.
We don't know how astrology works (when it does,) and I have yet to see an explanation that holds up to scrutiny. Horary astrology, perhaps the branch that best lends itself to testing, completely blows up any ideas about planetary cause-and-effect.
Having said that, anyone who doubts the mathematical basis of astrology never tried to calculate a horoscope by hand. House systems have generated all kinds of debate-- not just based on interpretive value, but on their mathematical assumptions. Here is a good article on the mathematical assumptions of different house systems: https://pdfcoffee.com/an-astrological-house-formulary-pdf-free.html
It's also important to realize that astrology-- at least until recently-- was never truly based on observation of the purported link between planetary positions and human outcomes. The Mesopotamians who invented astrology thought the planets were gods. The gods-- according to their individual natures-- would surely influence human affairs. Although the Mesopotamians recorded many celestial observations, these were all within the mindsets of prior beliefs about the nature of the various gods. As the Babylonian gods morphed into the more familiar Greek and Roman deities, astrology's basic assumptions about planetary natures and rulerships didn't change much.
I personally think that a lot of astrology is based on intuition, but that doesn't necessarily make it woo-woo. Neuroscience will probably have a lot more to say about how human intuition works, as this discipline develops.
If Magi astrology has found better methods than the predominant types of astrology today., it would be worth knowing about.
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magi society uses heliocentric charts as its claim to astrological fame.
heliocentrists havent proved that their perspective is any better than tropical and certainly not sidereal….never mind Iranian(arabic).
stats say that there are far more siderealists(vedics) than tropicals or helios out together. siderealists (vedics) maintain they have superior predictability.
and we still dont know or incorporate the Iranian astrology system at all.
dont forget the Parans either. thats your 3D predictive toolbox. they may have a point.
all above use the same maths. all of them.
plethora of trading software to predict. the most successful are sidereal based.
what I am saying is that blinkered views based on a small subset of information can only go so far. and when you add in the users own limits because of ego defending its limits and focusing on a smaller subset of information hoping to derive meaning from to help it stabilise and cope, the result will be even more screwed.
you can cut and paste it how you will, but at the end of the day the human will decide what it observes to be more of use.
its the human who interprets all the stats.
the more data one incorporates, the wider the perspective, the better the view, the clearer the results.
heliocentrists havent proved that their perspective is any better than tropical and certainly not sidereal….never mind Iranian(arabic).
stats say that there are far more siderealists(vedics) than tropicals or helios out together. siderealists (vedics) maintain they have superior predictability.
and we still dont know or incorporate the Iranian astrology system at all.
dont forget the Parans either. thats your 3D predictive toolbox. they may have a point.
all above use the same maths. all of them.
plethora of trading software to predict. the most successful are sidereal based.
what I am saying is that blinkered views based on a small subset of information can only go so far. and when you add in the users own limits because of ego defending its limits and focusing on a smaller subset of information hoping to derive meaning from to help it stabilise and cope, the result will be even more screwed.
you can cut and paste it how you will, but at the end of the day the human will decide what it observes to be more of use.
its the human who interprets all the stats.
the more data one incorporates, the wider the perspective, the better the view, the clearer the results.
DD, this will probably be a topic for another thread (if there are any takers,) but I approach the problem of astrology by detaching it from linear, "time's arrow" thinking. Astrology works more like map reading. (A horoscope actually is a highly stylized map,) In two- or three-dimensional space, multiple variables can be seen and correlated at a glance.
Astrologers read horoscopes as a simultaneous graphic representation of both the geocentric cosmos and human being or events. Astrologers basically gave up looking at the sky to predict personality, and event outcomes in ancient times, once ephemerides were invented. I think the interaction between astrologer, horoscope, and querent (or subject) will probably draw us closer to neuroscience than has been the case so far.
Astrologers read horoscopes as a simultaneous graphic representation of both the geocentric cosmos and human being or events. Astrologers basically gave up looking at the sky to predict personality, and event outcomes in ancient times, once ephemerides were invented. I think the interaction between astrologer, horoscope, and querent (or subject) will probably draw us closer to neuroscience than has been the case so far.
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The Church of Light/Brotherhood of Light did analysis of thousands of charts in the first half of the 20th Century. Individual members sent in birth data and answered detailed questionnaires about their lives. See Elbert Benjamine/C. C. Zain's books When and What Will Happen, Natal Astrology, Mundane Astrology, Horary Astrology, Weather Predicting, et al. The work of that organization is still going on.
Vibrational Astrology has also done statistical analysis of thousands of sets of birth data. David Cochrane and others have reported on that work. To those with a more mathematical bent that line of research may be particularly interesting.
Vibrational Astrology has also done statistical analysis of thousands of sets of birth data. David Cochrane and others have reported on that work. To those with a more mathematical bent that line of research may be particularly interesting.
Hi FraterAC,
Some links below:-
www.encyclopedia.com
en.wikipedia.org
www.uraniatrust.org
www.sueyounghistories.com
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
Some links below:-
Church of Light | Encyclopedia.com
Church of Light The Church of Light was one of the most important occult organizations in the United States in the mid-twentieth century. It had a special role in the modern revival of astrology. The church was incorporated in 1932, but it is part of the history of the Brotherhood of Light...
Church of Light - Wikipedia
Rodden - Urania Trust
Lois Rodden was an American astrologer, writer and data collector. The winner of the 1992 Regulus Award for enhancing astrology's image. Data collection and research were her main focus of interest, and she devised a rating system for the accuracy of the birthtimes.
Thomas Henry Burgoyne 1855 - 1894
Thomas Henry Burgoyne (born Thomas Dalton) 1855 - 1894 was a Scottish occultist, who founded the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor in Britain and was an editor of…
www.sueyounghistories.com
Hermetic Brotherhood of Light - Wikipedia
Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor - Wikipedia
Hi DigitialDiva,
Although not dealing with financial matters, i have done a lot of work on geometry regarding Fibonacci numbers, golden ratio, Phi, and and how it corresponds to the Mandelbrot set, i could give a link to my work if you wish, it may help?
Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia
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[deleted attacking comments - Moderator]Hi FraterAC,
Some links below:-
Church of Light | Encyclopedia.com
Church of Light The Church of Light was one of the most important occult organizations in the United States in the mid-twentieth century. It had a special role in the modern revival of astrology. The church was incorporated in 1932, but it is part of the history of the Brotherhood of Light...Church of Light - Wikipedia
Rodden - Urania Trust
Lois Rodden was an American astrologer, writer and data collector. The winner of the 1992 Regulus Award for enhancing astrology's image. Data collection and research were her main focus of interest, and she devised a rating system for the accuracy of the birthtimes.Thomas Henry Burgoyne 1855 - 1894
Thomas Henry Burgoyne (born Thomas Dalton) 1855 - 1894 was a Scottish occultist, who founded the Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor in Britain and was an editor of…Hermetic Brotherhood of Light - Wikipedia
Hermetic Brotherhood of Luxor - Wikipedia
Besides Astrodynes they make The Best use of Progressions (and Transits) I've ever come across. Plus their teachings on how to overcome adverse aspects -- natal or progressed -- is excellent too. While some might find their language takes a little getting used to, they know what they're talking about. Very highly recommended to anyone here.
The CoL has a website. If anyone wants to know who they are, what kind of astrology they do and why, they don't have to rely on Google or Wikipedia to find out. They can check them out for themselves, directly, first-hand. If one is lucky and Scorpio is not rising, they might not even bite!
[Not a paid endorsement. Writer is not affiliated with the Church of Light, its officers or any of its affiliates, if any such exist]
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Hi FraterAC,
i have never said all brotherhoods are bad, but Theodor Reus was involved in the early days, please scroll down to 6 where you will find quote below:-
6. THE REVIVAL OF THE ORDER OF THE ILLUMINATI IN 1895
"Reuss claimed that he first met Leopold Engel in 1895, the year in which he revived his Order of the Illuminati at Berlin"
www.freemasonry.bcy.ca
Anyhow i don't want to spoil the OP's thread so it is enough!
i have never said all brotherhoods are bad, but Theodor Reus was involved in the early days, please scroll down to 6 where you will find quote below:-
6. THE REVIVAL OF THE ORDER OF THE ILLUMINATI IN 1895
"Reuss claimed that he first met Leopold Engel in 1895, the year in which he revived his Order of the Illuminati at Berlin"
Theodor Reuss
The Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon Ancient Free and Accepted Masons website contains philosophy, symbolism and history textfiles, print-quality graphics, biographies, international links and local information.
Diva, Monk has a serious background in what I would call applied mathematics (applied to astrological, environmental, and more esoteric topics.)
Monk, I don't know if you would describe yourself in that fashion. You recall trying, very kindly, to give the Lady W a reading list, but sadly, it was beyond her meagre mathematical capabilities.
Anyway, DigitalDiva, you're already off to a good start in generating so much discussion on a board that normally consists of brief introductions.
{I think I'm more of a domestic diva these days, actually.]
Monk, I don't know if you would describe yourself in that fashion. You recall trying, very kindly, to give the Lady W a reading list, but sadly, it was beyond her meagre mathematical capabilities.
Anyway, DigitalDiva, you're already off to a good start in generating so much discussion on a board that normally consists of brief introductions.
{I think I'm more of a domestic diva these days, actually.]
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You can still have rules and facts, but when you put them all together to make a complete picture, in comes the art and intuition.
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Yes, exactly what I was thinking!
Hi Lady waybread,
I would agree, but the topic involves geometry as well.
So i thought i would add Larry Dean James to the mix.
His details below however i don't have time of birth, he trained as an astronaut but missed out on any missions, he worked in the PENTAGON, which is strange as like attracts like!
Later he was involved with guarding US airspace which would be typical of a pentagram to be involved in protection, he now works for Nasa!
Larry D. James - Wikipedia
Graph below, very strange:-
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I consider myself a life long learner. New info is always welcome. Thank you so much.Hi DigitialDiva,
Although not dealing with financial matters, i have done a lot of work on geometry regarding Fibonacci numbers, golden ratio, Phi, and and how it corresponds to the Mandelbrot set, i could give a link to my work if you wish, it may help?
Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia
Monk, if I'm reading his chart correctly, and if you use some non-planetary points, his chart contains an extraordinary number of yods.
I will send you to skyscript Astrology forum, i think all links still work except one, it will start very slow with Quintiles that are related to Fibonacci numbers, and then moves on to try to find a master shape for Phi, Golden Ratio, Fibonacci Numbers and Mandelbrot Set, my Avatar there is Archaeoastronomer.
I'm very interested in Sacred Geometry that are aspects in astrology.
The Mandelbrot Set is a complex set of numbers that can be put into visual mathematics, watch for the shape you can't get into, that is black, get ready for a trip:-
Lady Waybread is also a member, anyhow i'll put the pages below, remember my avatar there is Archaeoastronomer!
Enjoy, please tell me if you have trouble getting to Skyscript, as sometimes this happens, and please feel free to ask any questions.
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Thank you. Research into quintiles revealed they were too chaotic and unreliable. But research into septiles, bi-septiles, tri-septiles found the aspect neutral and 100% dependent upon the symbolism of the plants in the aspect. But there is definite traceability to septiles.
I agree to disagree. Multidimensional astrology just like human beings is so much richer and explains much more then just geocentric longitudes. Geocentric astrology is how the native perceives the world. Heliocentric is about how world perceives the native.
Example would be. A positive Venus Sun aspect in Helio… the native is good looking to the world. Same aspect in geo, the native sees themselves as good looking or strives to have great grooming.
Neptune has different symbology: longevity being one.
Natives with positive Sun-Neptune aspects in any dimension look younger, live longer than those without.
On transits, I use time orbs. For very slow moving planets, it has been found that their impact is most pronounced and felt most strongly 72 hours prior to being exact, while they are exact and maybe some fallout the 24 hours after separation. Your transits are a moving target on a daily basis. Today Venus conj your Jupiter. Everything is going your way today but separating tomorrow, but Saturn clash to your Mars exact in 5 days… look out for accidents!
Remember smaller orbs. If you look at when your transits are exact and separating, it is a constantly moving target.
Example: Again slightly different symbology for moon: rules emotions.
The moon is a great example because the moon is only available in geocentric charts, and the moon moves a little more than corrected 12 degrees in a day. Your moods also change during the day. While in clash to your natal planets you may experience more irritation, anger, etc…. Like you got out of the wrong side of the bed. But, while in great aspect to a natal planet, your emotions may soar with joy and happiness. This is the very simplest of explanations as other planets may also influence depending upon the natives personal chart as well as the chart of the day. But one that you may through simple observation prove out, but remember orbs must be within 3degrees.
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Hi DigitialDiva,
The Universe is chaotic but pentagrams are related to Phi and Fibonacci numbers:-
math.stackexchange.com
en.wikipedia.org
My point was to find a master key shape through visual mathematics
12 pentagrams make a Dodecahedron, and although it isn't proven yet some scientists think the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron:-
The Universe is chaotic but pentagrams are related to Phi and Fibonacci numbers:-
Pentagram and Golden Ratio
Pythagoreans used the pentagram as their mystical symbol. They believed that every number-shape had a hidden meaning and the pentagram is related with the golden ratio. My questions are: The only ...
Butterfly effect - Wikipedia
12 pentagrams make a Dodecahedron, and although it isn't proven yet some scientists think the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron:-
Is the universe a dodecahedron? – Physics World
Cosmologists might have to rethink their most basic ideas about space
physicsworld.com
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Hi DigitialDiva,
The Universe is chaotic but pentagrams are related to Phi and Fibonacci numbers:-
Pentagram and Golden Ratio
Pythagoreans used the pentagram as their mystical symbol. They believed that every number-shape had a hidden meaning and the pentagram is related with the golden ratio. My questions are: The only ...My point was to find a master key shape through visual mathematicsButterfly effect - Wikipedia
12 pentagrams make a Dodecahedron, and although it isn't proven yet some scientists think the Cosmos is a Dodecahedron:-
Is the universe a dodecahedron? – Physics World
Cosmologists might have to rethink their most basic ideas about spacephysicsworld.com
The hexagon is a powerful shape. As carbon-based lifeforms, where would we bee without it?
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