Abuse.

[Andonis]

Hi Vicky,
When a tough aspect is with you and provided school allows it you should travel abroad and go to a sunny place. That may make some difference. Reading funny novels and comedy in cinema of DVDs I find useful. I never watch depressing or violent films. Always happy and funny. It may help you but with friends and going to pleasant places in the country is often useful. And there are plenty in Sweeden. ...and youe English is great for your age!
Glad you keep your head above waters....

 

[mahaira]

I’ve just discovered this site and this thread. It's difficult to find the right words to describe how moved I am by it. I hope that someone is still checking it from time to time...
I don’t know where to start. Maybe by saying that astrology has helped me to find a way to talk about my fears that have lingered around me since I can remember. That’s why I’m posting my natal chart, because I’m sure that for many it will say more than I ever can.
The word “fear” is the central part, because I can’t say that I remember being physically abused. I don’t even know if it could be something from the past lives, because I do have vivid, dreams, which often have prophetic quality to them. Awake, I don’t have visions, it’s more of knowledge or awareness of certain things that are/were or will be. I can’t explain how. And it isn’t something that I can control in any sense. Sometimes it’s about really important issues and sometimes it’s about something completely irrelevant.
Anyway, I’ve always had this feeling that as a woman I had to be extra careful. I was brought up never to bring myself in the situation I cannot deal with (always had someone walk me home, almost never stayed late if that wasn’t the case, never enter the elevator with a stranger, never to hitchhike etc.) and as a child, when I’m alone, never to let in the house even the men I knew, let alone strangers. One can never be fully objective when it comes to the ones you love, but I don’t think that that my environment (my mother, aunt and grandmother; no father – never knew him, was seeing him sporadically till I was about 3) was over protective. The thing is, my mum was the real thing when it comes to precognition. She never talked about it openly; she just lived in harmony with her gift and helped everyone around her.
The only thing I really am sure of is that my step-father, who entered my life when I was 7, never abused me in any way. However, that is not the case with whatever, if anything, might have happened by the age of 6, because my memories are scarce.
So, I don’t know whether my fears are based on the past (be it childhood or past lives) or the future. I just know that they can be so debilitating sometimes, because I almost never do anything if I don’t feel comfortable with it.
Verbal abuse is something I experienced in relationships (Gemini Mars in the 7th, I guess). I ended the first one in my early twenties and was relieved. But. It was a lesson I had to learn. And still am, in a way, because my husband (Gemini/Sagittarius with Pluto opposition Mars), whom I love dearly, is verbally aggressive. I’m learning to confront him instead of retreating (Mars opposition Neptune in the 1st), to show him that what his doing is wrong. Some results are fortunately starting to show.
Is there any astrological evidence that my fears could be made real and is there a way to avoid it, by living carefully as I do? I know that sometimes, circumstances are above our control, which was once subtly indicated by the astrologer I met. She mentioned something about avoiding deserted parking lots, elevators…
I’m only a beginner in astrology, but the following aspects seem troublesome: Uranus in the 12th trine Venus in the 8th; Pluto in the 10th square Venus; Lilith in the 7th opposition Neptune; Moon square Mars; Moon square Neptune etc.
I would be very grateful for any comment, similar experience…
Living without clear memory, in fear is sometimes very difficult to bear.
Thank you.

 

[rahu]

hi mahaira
concerning abuse,your venus square to pluto is a primary indication.also with the pluto/vensu midpoint conjunct saturn,there is a strong possibility it involved your father.with the saturn/chiron midpoint conjunct jupiter and square the sun/uranus and moon/pluto midpoints,there is the possibility that abuse involved an uncle or grandparent.

i think your caution in general was well advised as your mars/neptune midpoint is conjunct to the saturn/pluto midpoint,definetly as aspect of unexpected dangers around you through out life.this potential danger is also indicated by the saturn/neptune midpoint square you venus.

psychically the mercury/uranus midpoint conjunct pluto can give psychic powers particularly of a cautious nature.and your moon square to neptune can shows your mother's pstchic sensitivity and your own.this aspect can give visionary states and they are often spontaneous.with the sun/saturn conjunction and the moon/neptune square,you could be subject to frightening visions.
the neptune/uranus midpoint conjunct your ascendant can also give psychic visions but at the same time it can give you mental confusion.it makes your a visionary and intelligent person but it can also amke you seem a bit scattered as you have the abilty to make grand plans that are difficult to achieve.it gives a prophectic spirit but also makes you a bit unrealistic at times.you may have a reputation of gifted but unreliable in certain ways.with lilth opposed to neptune,you have a strong spiritual side but this can also give a sense of foreboding or insecurity.with the dangerous aspects above,though, this forboding is a good thing as it has kept you out of possible harm.

rahu

 

[aries86]

Wow this topic is something i have been thinking about alot, and have been trying to see in my chart if there are any indications of abuse, mainly sexual abuse.. I do have many symptoms which would indicate being sexually abused, however i do have no memory of being abused, i dont think... but it is more than possible - being a young girl in this world is difficult, we are so so very often victims of abuse.

I am also a believer of past lives and I do think that perhaps my symptoms could be from past life abuse, i have scorpio south node in the second house conjunct pluto. however i feel as though there is soemthing from this life, because it truly does effect me and my relationships with men.

I am going to post my chart, i would like to see if anyone sees anything else that might indicate abuse. thank you kindly

 

[mahaira]

Thank you, Rahu, for your detailed answer! I had no idea how important midpoints were. Unfortunately, I do seem have so many aspects pointing to potential danger.
So, this Venus-Pluto square working through the 10th and 8th house is the main indication. I never knew my father, as I’m a love child, so to say. He had his own family and never took care of me, completely disappearing from my life when I was about 3. Maybe there was a reason why my mum erased every trace of him. I learned who he was in my early twenties (and was he surprised when I gave him a call, courtesy he never returned). Grandfather/uncles died before my birth. But it could have been someone else with this energy, I guess.
I came to think that it could also point to a strong/manipulative/domineering male figure connected to my career, that’s way I was careful in that area too, especially because at one point I did a lot of fieldwork outside urban areas.
You’re so right about frightening visions. Sometimes it’s difficult to get rid of them. And one of my strongest faults is the inability to fully focus. That’s perhaps why I have a feeling of floating, unable to find and stick to a right direction when career is concerned. And Neptune in the 1st house is not helping at all with this issue. When one lacks a sense of direction, one's easily convinced by others to do what they want.
Should I look for transits/progressions that might activate the mentioned midpoints? I'll give my best to stay alert and listen to my inner voice.

Thank you once more.

 

[The Ten Minute Astrologer]

The ruler of the first in the 12th is one indicator. Also the ruler in the first located in the 8th could be an early sexual encounter between the ages birth and seven years old. I have seen many Pisces rising charts who have been victimized.
The Ten Minute Astrologer

 

[imNicole]

Asteroids can indicate abuse too especially if they are prominent. Like Nessus, Chiron, Litith, Dejanira. I seen the Jeff Green has Uranus 8H i have Uranus 8H too in Pisces (whole sign houses) and I haven't seen anyone explain that placement well or in much detail.

Probably should mention I don't remember much is my childhood. Mostly all just a blank. But molestation and physical abuse was/is a common problem with my family.

My Mom and Grandma were both badly physically abuse, my grandmother was abused by her father most of her childhood until he left then my grandmother abused my mother physically and ignored signs of my mother being sa'ed by her siblings, my grandmother's boyfriends, and other family members. My mother's father left too, she was pretty young at the time. I never seen or known their fathers both left to Puerto Rico (their home).

My grandfather on my dad's side is a addict so I barely seen him and my grandmother is dead, she was a recovering addict that was also kind of abusive to my father.


I use whole sign and placidus house systems. Oct. 22 2004, 2:14am Buffalo, NY US

 

[Cascada]

I think it depends on the kind of abuse. Pluto is obviously a big player. And Mars. I've seen that Jupiter can expand negatively in transits and returns. Saturn can obviously dampen anything it touches.

I've experienced abuse from early childhood. Then in adulthood, I seem to attract similar situations. Doesn't matter how Plutonian someone is, I seem to bring out the negative side of Pluto in people I'm close to and I really don't mean to.

I have a Scorpio stellium of Mars/Mercury/Pluto in 4th, with Mars and Mercury conjunct the IC (Mars at a 1 degree orb). Pluto and Mercury square Saturn, with Pluto being a 0 degree orb. Saturn sits exact on the descendant in Aquarius, obviously in exact opposition to the Ascendant. Pluto in an exact square to the Ascendant.. so maybe it really is something I'm projecting. I also have Neptune (ruling 8th) and Uranus (7th) in 5th house of relationships, squaring my Sun (1st) and Jupiter (5th) conjunction. Lilith is not really doing anything major in my chart but does oppose my Sun/Moon midpoint exact. Chiron in my 1st house.

My mum has had similar experiences in her life and has a 12th house stellium in opposition to Saturn in 6th. Though I'm a little dubious of her "around 6:30am" tob. I suspect her Saturn is nearer to the Descendant, like mine.

 

[musicchild]

the primary symbols for abuse are saturn,pluto,chiron,mars.
conjunctions, square,oppositions ,semisquare and sesquiquadrates are the primary aspects.also the midpoints of these aspects are just as potent .one looks for these elements aspected to venus,mars and sun ,primarily.as a survivor i have looked at this quite a bit.i would be glad to illustrate,if anyone wants to submit a date.publically or privately.
rahu

I am very very late in a response to this thread but if it's still alive and kicking, how about @ 07/07/1984 0230 am Boise Idaho

The BML and points of volatility are interesting to me but anyone would be welcome to analyze these aspects in my placements as well