All Things Hidden: Planets of the 12th House

[actio]

I am wondering if other people's experience with their 12th house coincides with these profiles.

I've done a bit of research on this subject and here are my thoughts so far:

I read that when someone's planets are aspecting this house, the owner of the house may feel unsettled and both people might view each other with suspicion. It is also said that the planet person can link to the subconscious of the house person, see the things that the house person hides from him/herself and from others, and bring these things out in the open, and this is what unsettles the house person.

On the association of 12th house with asylums: I was thinking that if someone suddenly rattles the hidden parts of your subconscious and brings up things that you don't want to deal with, that can lead to emotional breakdowns and even temporary insanity. On the association of 12th house with prisons: If the house person is completely out of touch with the contents of their 12th house, they can act in ways that are hidden even to themselves and this can lead to self-sabotage and incrimination if somebody with planets in that house reveals what they are doing.


Aries in 12th House - Your twelfth house is Aries so your hidden weakness is selfishness, the desire to do whatever you want and get what you need, regardless of anybody else or their own stake in the outcome. Curiously, this same ability is also your most hidden strength, since it is doubtless highly commendable you are able to keep on doing your personal thing, in the face of unanimous opposition and often clear evidence of failure into the bargain. Whether you simply don’t care or perhaps never notice other people’s input is moot, but you might start looking lost and way out on a limb.

[edited quote over 100 words against forum rules - Moderator from: http://www.astrologywizard.com/bitchscopes_2.htm - 12th House Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Saggittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, Pisces


There were also interesting summaries of 12th House planets posted here:
http://tribes.tribe.net/astrologylovers/thread/e75093a5-4971-4bf1-9332-89812f402dce
http://astrobix.com/hindu_astrology/post/aries-12th-house-12th-house-aries.aspx
http://innerself.com/content/self-h...ogy/houses/4358-12th-house-in-your-chart.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43432&highlight=12th
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/16/synastry-studies-the-twelfth-house-and-the-double-inconjunct/
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[Flowergirl]

There was a recently started thread about 12th house planets (perhaps a week ago) and I quite liked how one person said that 12th house planets are associated with LOSS regarding that particular planet's issues. I found that particularly true and that weaves in with what you say about it being a sensitive point, that if rattled or confronted with, could send the person into an emotional crisis. Because it is a wound, either being scrutinised by another or feelings of guilt, loss or shame regarding that issue by the person himself. Since 12th house planets and their issues are hidden from view, it may require transits to suddenly shine a light on them, causing distress and disillusionment.

 

[zoumizzouzou]

I just clicked one of those links and it said this about XII house of Virgo: " A person with twelfth house Virgo is not usually strong and has a short life span." Wth???? I certainly hope that's not true... My "love" has a XII Virgo, and if he died, I would be devastated! Also, he has Mercury in XII

Mine is a XII Libra and this quote is true for me: "A person with a twelfth house Libra should keep a balance between work and every other thing. If such a person is not careful, his tendency to limit his interests and experiences can cause him to become terribly opinionated and narrow-minded. In such a case, a person with a twelfth house Libra may be disliked by many because of his attitude and stubbornness." {Moderator Edit} QUOTE COPY TAKEN FROM http://astrobix.com/hindu_astrology/post/libra-12th-house-12th-house-libra.aspx

 

[Caro]

Im scorpio rising so I read the scorpio paragraph.(so libra on 12th house ) interesting stuff.

I also read the sagi paragraph with interest as a friend with sagi rising would agree with a lot of what is written there too. 'when someone crossed you you wont ever speak to them again'

 

[Kuntuzangmo]

Often the 12th house is depicted as sort of a non-beneficial house and therefore also the planets aspecting it. Yet this is the opposite if getting to the root of things, exploring consciousness etc...is interesting and beneficial to oneself. It is the hidden and unknown. Many are afraid of this. But if there's no fear, there's the possibility of finding all the treasures there.

 

[Caro]

Kuntuzangmo

I like that concept.

 

[actio]

Im scorpio rising so I read the scorpio paragraph.(so libra on 12th house ) interesting stuff.

I also read the sagi paragraph with interest as a friend with sagi rising would agree with a lot of what is written there too. 'when someone crossed you you wont ever speak to them again'

Does this apply to rising signs too? I'm confused why you have referred this to your ascendant.

 

[Caro]

Does this apply to rising signs too? I'm confused why you have referred this to your ascendant.

the wonderfully titled - bitchscope link provided in the first thread refers to the sun as being in the first house. so if it is in the first house you are ok.
otherwise you need to read the paragraph onyour rising sign. Which every sign that is......
so Im scorpio rising (libra in 12th house) sun in 4th in my case.

 

[actio]

the wonderfully titled - bitchscope link provided in the first thread refers to the sun as being in the first house. so if it is in the first house you are ok.
otherwise you need to read the paragraph onyour rising sign. Which every sign that is......
so Im scorpio rising (libra in 12th house) sun in 4th in my case.

I see, was confused for a moment there.

 

[ros3lani]

Hello, I'm new in astrology

and, honestly, I dont really understand about this 12th house thread. but maybe, from my experience, it is maybe true in synastry. theres my planet aspecting my partner 12th house and he say that I do wake 'monster' (this is about the asylum) inside him. oh my >_<

but I think we can learn a lot from this 12th house since this is house of spirituality...

 

[JUPITERASC]

Hello, I'm new in astrology

and, honestly, I dont really understand about this 12th house thread. but maybe, from my experience, it is maybe true in synastry. theres my planet aspecting my partner 12th house and he say that I do wake 'monster' (this is about the asylum) inside him. oh my >_<

but I think we can learn a lot from this 12th house since this is house of spirituality...

12th is also linked with slavery and is discussed in relation to 'modern day forms of slavery' at http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49254

 

[greybeard]

Use with discernment...

1. What is being demonstrated here is "reading any house cusp", not just the 12th.

2. The readings given are partial in several repects;
a. The description of the meaning of the house is only partially given.
b. The interpretation of the sign on the cusp is not carried out fully.
c. The lord of the house is not taken into account, a serious deficiency.
d. Planets in the house are not taken into account. Obviously such planets play a direct and powerful role in modifying your 12th house affairs.
e. Planets in close aspect to the cusp of a house or the planets contained in it also have a strong influence in that house, even though indirectly.

First, what does the Twelfth House contain? What are its affairs? "Hidden Strength" is not exactly what tradition tells us is there. If you want to use the sign on the cusp of a house to describe the general nature of the affairs of that house, you must first know what those affairs are.

Second, it would be better to carry the description out farther than is done on this site. By focusing on one quality of the sign only, you might miss important descriptive details.

Third, The sign on a house cusp, while generally descriptive of the basic nature of its content, serves us best as a "marker" to tell us who rules the house. It is more instructive to read the ruler than the sign itself. The lord of the house has the final say; the king has the last word in his kingdom. Although the lord of a house (assuming the house contains planets) is not usually most immediately active factor in the house's affairs, it does -- through its own conditioning in the chart -- determine the direction and qualities of the contained planets. The lord of a house "disposes" it; the planets in the house (the sign on the cusp) must obey their ruler. What, then, is the condition of the ruler?

The planets contained in a house are generally the most powerful factor immediately and directly influencing the affairs of the house. To give precedence to the sign on the cusp as the controlling descriptive factor may be misleading.

Ditto planets (closely) aspecting the house cusp and/or planets contained in the house. These planets, while not directly affecting the affairs of the house, often create conditions or events that are strongly reflected in the house.

Also, the relative strength of the house measured against the whole chart, and the general tone or theme of the chart, needs to be taken into account.

So....while the site under discussion is helpful in teaching how to "read the sign on any house cusp", it is also misleading for the student of astrology because it emphasizes what is among the weakest descriptors while ignoring the most powerful. It reinforces the tendency of students of astrology to seek out some one single factor as telling the story, and this just does not lead to good astrological interpretation.

Use with discretion.

 

[actio]

I just clicked one of those links and it said this about XII house of Virgo: " A person with twelfth house Virgo is not usually strong and has a short life span." Wth???? I certainly hope that's not true... My "love" has a XII Virgo, and if he died, I would be devastated! Also, he has Mercury in XII

I wouldn't the astrological life span predictions very seriously when they are based on a single placement. I've heard of astrologers being able to accurately predict people's deaths, and the manner, but it was from the composite chart rather than it's singular parts.

 

[Abby83]

I think you are 100% right about other people seeing into your fears. I have pluto in libra 12 house conjunct sun and I fear losing my power and becoming slave to another and unfairness of life. Therefore, because other people can see into this, they play on it. It's a weak point they can access.

 

[Neptunia]

I found this bit about the 12th house here.

"As such the Twelfth House is not a particularly plush, comfortable, hospitable or cozy place. It is the place which reveals to you that you are caught up in living a total lie, in absolute illusion about who and what you are. Thus it has a hostile, and inimical flavor on the surface."

Also-

"Sometimes astrologers want to say that "enemies" reside in the Twelfth House. In my opinion this is a shallow view. Yes, you will not meet people in the Twelfth House who will fan your ego and tell you how great you are. In that sense there are no "friends" to be found here."

It's amazing how accurate it is..


~ Neptunia

 

[JUPITERASC]

I found this bit about the 12th house here.

"As such the Twelfth House is not a particularly plush, comfortable, hospitable or cozy place. It is the place which reveals to you that you are caught up in living a total lie, in absolute illusion about who and what you are. Thus it has a hostile, and inimical flavor on the surface."

Also-

"Sometimes astrologers want to say that "enemies" reside in the Twelfth House. In my opinion this is a shallow view. Yes, you will not meet people in the Twelfth House who will fan your ego and tell you how great you are. In that sense there are no "friends" to be found here."

It's amazing how accurate it is..


~ Neptunia

Astrologers have their own personal opinion and frequently disagree

'....12th house represents matters that are hidden, restrained, secret, incapable of action or of being fully understood.
Traditionally, however, it is a wholly unfortunate house, associated with sad events, sorrow, anguish of mind, tribulation,
captivity, imprisonment, persecution, hard labour, all manner of affliction and self-undoing.
It represents places that are denied access to public view, particularly those concerned with seclusion or isolation,
or where one is restricted from living a carefree life-style, such as institutions or prisons.....'


'.....Many sources attribute monasteries to the 12th house as places of isolation,
but otherwise monks and nuns belong to the 9th house which represents religious concerns.
12th House has rulership over scandals generally, personal fears and skeletons in the family closet.
12th House significations include secret, unknown enemies,
such men as maliciously undermine their neighbours or inform secretly against them:
traitors, spies
weakness, infirmity and bondage....' http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h12.html

 

[david starling]

Now THAT's depressing. The 12th is about the power of Imagination. It's like riding a mighty stallion--you have to ride it, so ride it well and it will take you anywhere you want to go. If it takes you to bad places, blame the rider, not the steed. It's a useful vehicle if you work it right. What I'm saying is, the 12th is essentially neutral; if other factors in your chart are messing with it, work on those. Make it work for you, not against you! (IMO)

 

[IleneK]

Now THAT's depressing.

And so it may be.

But life can be depressing, so obviously there must be a topical place in the chart representing misfortune in our lives. We also inhabit the other 11 places in our chart, too.

Spoken by one with 3 traditional planets and one modern in the 12th.
There is much of great value to learn from the 12th, too.

Season's greetings.

 

[david starling]

The greatest 12th house SHOCK ever for me (and many others) was the Altamont rock concert featuring the Stones. Unbelievable! In a bad way.

 

[dowhanawi]

The hardest journeys usually prove yo be the best ones