Any placements in synastry which could indicate being enemies or one person bullying another?

[MeganJoZodiac]

I am the Aries sun person in blue and the enemy/bully is the cancer sun person in orange. Let’s call the cancer sun person J.

J is a mean girl. She’s very judgmental and she likes to gossip about people. She especially likes doing this at the dinner table in her house. In freshman year of high school in late 2016 there was a boy, K, who started laughing at the giant size of my butt as he was staring at it while I was walking through the space in between two desks. J joined in too because she had a crush on K as she was laughing too and smirking and then having the audacity to smile at me like nothing happened afterwards (she’s so fake, which is something even my older sister has agreed on). I’ve always struggled with my weight.

Also in freshman year, I didn’t walk down the stairs fast enough for J’s liking, so J would step on my feet and try to push me down the stairs. She also tried pushing my older sister down the stairs.

Nobody would say anything to J because her mom is a kindergarten teacher and she was one of the favourite students of the school staff of the high school.

In summer 2019, J and her friend were gossiping about me at the drugstore near my house. My mom was at the drugstore too. I was writing an exam. They were following my mom around the store and giggling. They were making fun of how weird I was (apparently because I didn’t go out very much and still don’t) and J was whispering in her friends ear about me after my mom said hi to J and her friend asked who J was saying hi to. My mom then came home and started yelling at me, telling me that what happened at the drugstore was my fault and that if I went out more then that wouldn’t have happened. I already started disliking J in 2016 but 2019 was really the huge catalyst of my dislike of J. 2019 really solidified it for me. My mom telling me it was my fault made me dislike J even more than I already did.

I stopped seeing J after March 13, 2020 because of the pandemic and we went to different unis. She just graduated from her BSW [Bachelor’s of Social Work] undergrad program. However, she still lives in the same neighborhood that we both grew up in. According to my mom, at the drugstore that day in summer 2019, her friend was impressed by how J knew everyone at our local drugstore. J just laughed and refused to explain how she knew everyone (because she lives in the neighborhood that the drugstore was in which is the same neighborhood that I live in to this day and she thinks she is better than everyone else in the neighborhood and that she’s too good to be living in a neighborhood like that).

She has an older brother, P, who is actually friends with my older sister. My older sister likes P and they text even to this day. Sis and I share a hairdresser with P and J. We recently got our hair done and P was at the hairdresser not too long before we were. Sis reacted to the news and was a bit disappointed that she didn’t get to see P in person (I am at the same Uni that my sister went to while P and J each went to two different universities. She even asked about P and what he was up to and doing and our hairdresser was telling her about what P had been getting up to.

J has also been accused of racism. She had a friend in high school called V who is black. V and her had a falling out and according to what I heard from my peers, V was telling everyone in senior year anthropology about how J is racist.

I don’t know if maybe people pity J because J has dyslexia? I remember finding out about it at a party hosted by the female friend and her older sister from my first synastry chart interpretation where both J and I were invited. I also remember that in late 2013 we had a writing assignment about our summer vacations and J’s mom who is a school teacher came over and saw my work. J’s mom then told my mom that I wrote very well and that she was impressed by my work.

My interpretation: her Chiron squares my sun indicating abuse. Her sun squares my moon showing conflict between my emotions and her autonomy. I’ve heard that Leo moons can be very dramatic and live for the drama. She has Lilith in Aries which can indicate a bold and assertive personality. I’ve also heard that Lilith in Aries can represent anger, arrogance, self-centeredness, egocentrism and impulsiveness.thoughts on this interpretation are welcome. Are there any other significant placements or aspects that are noteworthy of this relationship dynamic?

 

[BlackTulip123]

Just how old is this situation??? It sounds very teenagerish, why does it still matter to you?

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

Just how old is this situation??? It sounds very teenagerish, why does it still matter to you?

It was a situation from late 2013 to 2020, though she still lives in the neighborhood and I recently ran into her brother P (who also still lives in the neighborhood) at physiotherapy last week.
My mom surprisingly just said hi to him (he said hi first) and I didn’t say hi because of my grudge against J. My mom was talking about how good P looks and asking my sister why she doesn’t have a masters degree like P does before the physiotherapy. I worry that she will continue to compare me to J as in 2019 and onward she did multiple times and even scolded me for doing stuff that she didn’t like by suggesting that I need to listen to what J thinks/ J’s opinions.
I do wonder if there are any placements in my birth chart and/or the synastry chart in this thread which indicates holding a grudge.

 

[wan]

Off the top of my head: Pluto square the other person's Sun.

 

[katydid]

MeganJo, it feels like you are really trapped in meaningless gossip from your teen years. It kind of surprises me because your Aries energy should be able to burn this stuff up and move on from it more quickly.

I guess maybe your Full Moon in Aries/Libra can trap you in relationship drama that just wastes your energy.

Maybe you can try to let this old drama go and create new interactions and relationships with these neighbourhood people? Be the bigger person and let it all go, for your own growth and progress.

Your Mercury is @ 29Pisces. That is a very symbolic, highly spiritual metaphysical degree. In some ways you are an 'old soul.' You have very intense intuitive powers and can feel and sense how others feel. USE IT FOR HEALING, but not for ego things like keeping track of others insults or slights.

Your relationship with your Mom [your Moon] somehow holds you hostage to bullies in your neighbourhood. You imagine whether true or not, that your mother likes them better, thinks they are more important or talented, and it wounds you.

Instead of focusing on these other people, these 3rd parties, maybe you can work on th relationship with your Mom?

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

MeganJo, it feels like you are really trapped in meaningless gossip from your teen years. It kind of surprises me because your Aries energy should be able to burn this stuff up and move on from it more quickly.

I guess maybe your Full Moon in Aries/Libra can trap you in relationship drama that just wastes your energy.

Maybe you can try to let this old drama go and create new interactions and relationships with these neighbourhood people? Be the bigger person and let it all go, for your own growth and progress.

Your Mercury is @ 29Pisces. That is a very symbolic, highly spiritual metaphysical degree. In some ways you are an 'old soul.' You have very intense intuitive powers and can feel and sense how others feel. USE IT FOR HEALING, but not for ego things like keeping track of others insults or slights.

Your relationship with your Mom [your Moon] somehow holds you hostage to bullies in your neighbourhood. You imagine whether true or not, that your mother likes them better, thinks they are more important or talented, and it wounds you.

Instead of focusing on these other people, these 3rd parties, maybe you can work on th relationship with your Mom?

Hello, I know you mean well and I appreciate your concern. However, I do want to clarify that my posts about "Wanda" and "Zeke" and anyone else that worked with Zeke in the lab were not about people from my teenage years. Those posts were about people who I met last year around this time. I didn't meet Wanda for the first time until January 2024. I have no idea where any of those people live and I've never seen them in my neighborhood so I don't think they are from there.

 

[katydid]

Hello, I know you mean well and I appreciate your concern. However, I do want to clarify that my posts about "Wanda" and "Zeke" and anyone else that worked with Zeke in the lab were not about people from my teenage years. Those posts were about people who I met last year around this time. I didn't meet Wanda for the first time until January 2024. I have no idea where any of those people live and I've never seen them in my neighborhood so I don't think they are from there.

Here is the post I was responding to:

Just how old is this situation??? It sounds very teenagerish, why does it still matter to you?

It was a situation from late 2013 to 2020, though she still lives in the neighborhood and I recently ran into her brother P (who also still lives in the neighborhood) at physiotherapy last week.
My mom surprisingly just said hi to him (he said hi first) and I didn’t say hi because of my grudge against J. My mom was talking about how good P looks and asking my sister why she doesn’t have a masters degree like P does before the physiotherapy. I worry that she will continue to compare me to J as in 2019 and onward she did multiple times and even scolded me for doing stuff that she didn’t like by suggesting that I need to listen to what J thinks/ J’s opinions.
I do wonder if there are any placements in my birth chart and/or the synastry chart in this thread which indicates holding a grudge.


[it appears that you were speaking about a situation from '2013 to 2020' and from someone still living in your neighbourhood. ]

 

[ElenaJ]

There seem to be some missing pieces here.
Who are Wanda and Zee? Are you discussing other threads that relate to this one?
Just to clarify the situation a little better, and give a sensible reply.

You write that J is a girl, but are you also a girl?

Regarding the synastry chart the key seems to be sitting at the very top of the chart.
Because you were both born rather close in time, the outer planets that move slowly are conjunct, and can be considered "generational", that is, they are shared by all those born around the same time, so aren't really personal planets.
Unless they aspect personal points in the chart.
Note the pluto/South Node contacts, and the saturn/North Node.
This is a very powerful and personal configuration, and you each have it in your own chart.
The Nodes have to do with Karma, and also relationships.
Pluto is power, it is change and transformation, it is obsession.
South Node has to do with our past, what we have experienced and know well. It is what we should leave behind us in this lifetime.
So we have a tendency to be obsessive, to use the force of pluto to dig down deep within ourselves and face the demons that are holding us back, and we rely on this as an emotional cushion.
As we do this, over our lifetime this energy force will gradually tend to weaken.
On the other pole, North Node is conjunct saturn, calling us to exercise more caution and restraint, to be more responsible, more serious, have a deeper psychological awareness.
So there is a dichotomy between transformation and tradition, control and subjection.
In this synastry, there is a mix up of these energies.
Instead of looking inward, each of you is diverting your own energy towards the other.
She uses her instinct of power and control towards you. She puts you, or did in the past, into difficult situations where she is the master and you the subjective victim. So rather than transform herself, she tries to control you. She is evading the purpose of this energy that she should be using for her own evolution.
You use this situation to yield, your energy is absorbed by her. So you too are not looking inward, but pointing outwards.
A similar situation seems to be working with the saturn/NN, where each of you is looking to restrain the other.
The trick for you to overcome this, is by exerting your own power, neutralising hers, and moving forward in your personal development.
You have to reclaim yourself.
The other key to what is taking place between you is the Lilith/sun contact, another very strong placement.
In effect she too surrenders her power, she can't stop herself.
This links the two of you, and she as Lilith is obsessed by you. This is a very strong connection.
This also creates a physical attraction, and in fact there are other sexual aspects between the two of you. There is a possibility that these impulses remain subliminal and create an undertone of tension by not being recognised consciously.
You mentioned this all had its strongest expression several years ago, but this isn't important, because these energies are innate and don't go away with time. Pluto doesn't let you turn your back on it.
With time however North Node should gradually take over, favouring the more "adult" behaviour that saturn creates.
There is a nice jupiter/mercury conjunction between you that can help you work it out.
Jupiter can be very forgiving and very generous.
Both moons are in exact sextile, so emotionally also you can relate to each other very easily.
In addition, your Mercurys are in exact trine, so you can communicate easily and understand each other. Strange as this may seem.
Keep in mind that your aries sun is much more up front than her cancer sun.
She will tend to hide behind self-defensive screens when she is hurt.
And she lets her Leo moon take over, becoming friendly, cheery, outgoing emotionally, as a cover up.
With both mars and jupiter on her sun she can be aggressive as well as fun, depending on her mood. Cancer is very moody.
You on the other hand will not tend to retreat, you march right on following your own path, while seeking harmony with the person you are with.
With the maturity adulthood brings, you two could actually be quite good friends, strange as that might seem now.
Your moon is inconjunct mars, so you will always have a tense relationship with your mother, but this is between you two, and not related to J.
Your mother probably means well and is trying to show you good examples to help you grow, and is just doing it awkwardly.
Finally, your pluto is exactly trine J's moon, so you have the ability to help her emotional security by using tact and a gentle hand.
Sorry if this is long, I hope it can help you gain some of the insight you are looking for.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

There seem to be some missing pieces here.
Who are Wanda and Zee? Are you discussing other threads that relate to this one?
Just to clarify the situation a little better, and give a sensible reply.

You write that J is a girl, but are you also a girl?

Regarding the synastry chart the key seems to be sitting at the very top of the chart.
Because you were both born rather close in time, the outer planets that move slowly are conjunct, and can be considered "generational", that is, they are shared by all those born around the same time, so aren't really personal planets.
Unless they aspect personal points in the chart.
Note the pluto/South Node contacts, and the saturn/North Node.
This is a very powerful and personal configuration, and you each have it in your own chart.
The Nodes have to do with Karma, and also relationships.
Pluto is power, it is change and transformation, it is obsession.
South Node has to do with our past, what we have experienced and know well. It is what we should leave behind us in this lifetime.
So we have a tendency to be obsessive, to use the force of pluto to dig down deep within ourselves and face the demons that are holding us back, and we rely on this as an emotional cushion.
As we do this, over our lifetime this energy force will gradually tend to weaken.
On the other pole, North Node is conjunct saturn, calling us to exercise more caution and restraint, to be more responsible, more serious, have a deeper psychological awareness.
So there is a dichotomy between transformation and tradition, control and subjection.
In this synastry, there is a mix up of these energies.
Instead of looking inward, each of you is diverting your own energy towards the other.
She uses her instinct of power and control towards you. She puts you, or did in the past, into difficult situations where she is the master and you the subjective victim. So rather than transform herself, she tries to control you. She is evading the purpose of this energy that she should be using for her own evolution.
You use this situation to yield, your energy is absorbed by her. So you too are not looking inward, but pointing outwards.
A similar situation seems to be working with the saturn/NN, where each of you is looking to restrain the other.
The trick for you to overcome this, is by exerting your own power, neutralising hers, and moving forward in your personal development.
You have to reclaim yourself.
The other key to what is taking place between you is the Lilith/sun contact, another very strong placement.
In effect she too surrenders her power, she can't stop herself.
This links the two of you, and she as Lilith is obsessed by you. This is a very strong connection.
This also creates a physical attraction, and in fact there are other sexual aspects between the two of you. There is a possibility that these impulses remain subliminal and create an undertone of tension by not being recognised consciously.
You mentioned this all had its strongest expression several years ago, but this isn't important, because these energies are innate and don't go away with time. Pluto doesn't let you turn your back on it.
With time however North Node should gradually take over, favouring the more "adult" behaviour that saturn creates.
There is a nice jupiter/mercury conjunction between you that can help you work it out.
Jupiter can be very forgiving and very generous.
Both moons are in exact sextile, so emotionally also you can relate to each other very easily.
In addition, your Mercurys are in exact trine, so you can communicate easily and understand each other. Strange as this may seem.
Keep in mind that your aries sun is much more up front than her cancer sun.
She will tend to hide behind self-defensive screens when she is hurt.
And she lets her Leo moon take over, becoming friendly, cheery, outgoing emotionally, as a cover up.
With both mars and jupiter on her sun she can be aggressive as well as fun, depending on her mood. Cancer is very moody.
You on the other hand will not tend to retreat, you march right on following your own path, while seeking harmony with the person you are with.
With the maturity adulthood brings, you two could actually be quite good friends, strange as that might seem now.
Your moon is inconjunct mars, so you will always have a tense relationship with your mother, but this is between you two, and not related to J.
Your mother probably means well and is trying to show you good examples to help you grow, and is just doing it awkwardly.
Finally, your pluto is exactly trine J's moon, so you have the ability to help her emotional security by using tact and a gentle hand.
Sorry if this is long, I hope it can help you gain some of the insight you are looking for.

I am a girl. Wanda and Zeke are from different threads I’ve posted. I mentioned Wanda and Zeke in response to Katy did’s comment about how I am trapped in gossip from my teen years. I replied that Wanda and Zeke weren’t from my teen years. I met Zeke in September 2023 and dealt with him until April 2024. I met Wanda in January 2024 and I still see Wanda because we both share an online class this year.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

There seem to be some missing pieces here.
Who are Wanda and Zee? Are you discussing other threads that relate to this one?
Just to clarify the situation a little better, and give a sensible reply.

You write that J is a girl, but are you also a girl?

Regarding the synastry chart the key seems to be sitting at the very top of the chart.
Because you were both born rather close in time, the outer planets that move slowly are conjunct, and can be considered "generational", that is, they are shared by all those born around the same time, so aren't really personal planets.
Unless they aspect personal points in the chart.
Note the pluto/South Node contacts, and the saturn/North Node.
This is a very powerful and personal configuration, and you each have it in your own chart.
The Nodes have to do with Karma, and also relationships.
Pluto is power, it is change and transformation, it is obsession.
South Node has to do with our past, what we have experienced and know well. It is what we should leave behind us in this lifetime.
So we have a tendency to be obsessive, to use the force of pluto to dig down deep within ourselves and face the demons that are holding us back, and we rely on this as an emotional cushion.
As we do this, over our lifetime this energy force will gradually tend to weaken.
On the other pole, North Node is conjunct saturn, calling us to exercise more caution and restraint, to be more responsible, more serious, have a deeper psychological awareness.
So there is a dichotomy between transformation and tradition, control and subjection.
In this synastry, there is a mix up of these energies.
Instead of looking inward, each of you is diverting your own energy towards the other.
She uses her instinct of power and control towards you. She puts you, or did in the past, into difficult situations where she is the master and you the subjective victim. So rather than transform herself, she tries to control you. She is evading the purpose of this energy that she should be using for her own evolution.
You use this situation to yield, your energy is absorbed by her. So you too are not looking inward, but pointing outwards.
A similar situation seems to be working with the saturn/NN, where each of you is looking to restrain the other.
The trick for you to overcome this, is by exerting your own power, neutralising hers, and moving forward in your personal development.
You have to reclaim yourself.
The other key to what is taking place between you is the Lilith/sun contact, another very strong placement.
In effect she too surrenders her power, she can't stop herself.
This links the two of you, and she as Lilith is obsessed by you. This is a very strong connection.
This also creates a physical attraction, and in fact there are other sexual aspects between the two of you. There is a possibility that these impulses remain subliminal and create an undertone of tension by not being recognised consciously.
You mentioned this all had its strongest expression several years ago, but this isn't important, because these energies are innate and don't go away with time. Pluto doesn't let you turn your back on it.
With time however North Node should gradually take over, favouring the more "adult" behaviour that saturn creates.
There is a nice jupiter/mercury conjunction between you that can help you work it out.
Jupiter can be very forgiving and very generous.
Both moons are in exact sextile, so emotionally also you can relate to each other very easily.
In addition, your Mercurys are in exact trine, so you can communicate easily and understand each other. Strange as this may seem.
Keep in mind that your aries sun is much more up front than her cancer sun.
She will tend to hide behind self-defensive screens when she is hurt.
And she lets her Leo moon take over, becoming friendly, cheery, outgoing emotionally, as a cover up.
With both mars and jupiter on her sun she can be aggressive as well as fun, depending on her mood. Cancer is very moody.
You on the other hand will not tend to retreat, you march right on following your own path, while seeking harmony with the person you are with.
With the maturity adulthood brings, you two could actually be quite good friends, strange as that might seem now.
Your moon is inconjunct mars, so you will always have a tense relationship with your mother, but this is between you two, and not related to J.
Your mother probably means well and is trying to show you good examples to help you grow, and is just doing it awkwardly.
Finally, your pluto is exactly trine J's moon, so you have the ability to help her emotional security by using tact and a gentle hand.
Sorry if this is long, I hope it can help you gain some of the insight you are looking for.

I’m not sexually attracted to her. I’m a woman of Hispanic descent who has crushes on men of all races, including white men such as the members of two boy bands who are from the same country J’s mom is from. J is a white girl of European descent. J’s mom is from England and J’s dad is Italian. However, I don’t find her attractive. J is sexually attracted to me? I never knew her real sexuality and it wasn’t my business anyways in the first place. My mom did also say that J is “rough” and not as stereotypically feminine. Tbh, I did at times get vibes that she could be into girls but as long as she’s not doing anything harmful then that’s her business. Also, if J is sexually attracted to me then why would she join in on K’s teasing about how big my butt was (I could barely fit between the space between two desks at school and I had to go through that space to get back to my desk which involved passing by K and J). K was fat shaming me and J snickered at what K was saying then looked at me with puppy dog eyes.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

I’m not sexually attracted to her. I’m a woman of Hispanic descent who has crushes on men of all races, including the members of two boy bands who are from the same country J’s mom is from. J is a white girl of European descent. J’s mom is from England and J’s dad is Italian. However, I don’t find her attractive. J is sexually attracted to me? I never knew her real sexuality and it wasn’t my business anyways in the first place. My mom did also say that J is “rough” and not as stereotypically feminine. Tbh, I did at times get vibes that she could be into girls but as long as she’s not doing anything harmful then that’s her business. Also, if J is sexually attracted to me then why would she join in on K’s teasing about how big my butt was (I could barely fit between the space between two desks at school and I had to go through that space to get back to my desk which involved passing by K and J). K was fat shaming me and J snickered at what K was saying then looked at me with puppy dog eyes.

To add on, I thought she might’ve been only into girls and didn’t like men (this part was until 2016). At Pisces sister’s party in 2016 (Pisces is from another thread who was also a mutual classmate of J and I) she said that she thought Leonardo DiCaprio was cute when he was younger and she liked one of the boyband from England that I also liked. We even had the same favorite member of that boyband.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

if you're worried about bullie showing up in your 7th - you better know, right off, your the bully of the ones in your 7th from 12th or 4th and now you are just crying for help about nowon anting to help you.

What do you mean?

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

To add on, I thought she might’ve been into girls but I also remember that at Pisces sister’s party (Pisces is from another thread who was also a mutual classmate of J and I) she said that she thought Leonardo DiCaprio was cute when he was younger and she liked one of the boyband from England that I also liked. We even had the same favorite member of that boyband.

To reiterate, I have had crushes on white people and people of other backgrounds. J is white but I don’t find her attractive. I have two secret girl crushes, one of whom is a white woman with an Italian parent like J is however J is not one of my girl crushes. The white woman I have a crush on is a dentist who is based in Texas and whose YouTube channel is public (I found her from YouTube and can provide her YouTube channel on request but her channel is public anyways). The other girl crush is my dental hygienist who was born in the Dominican Republic.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

Another point I wanted to add was that J was accused of racism and I am of Hispanic descent (she knows this because she’s from my neighborhood and my last name is Hispanic) so I don’t think she would find me attractive. This is alongside her snickering at K fat shaming me.

 

[ElenaJ]

if you're worried about bullie showing up in your 7th - you better know, right off, your the bully of the ones in your 7th from 12th or 4th and now you are just crying for help about no one wanting to help you.

Can you attach some astrology to this? Where is this coming from?
A bit harsh, don't you think?

 

[ElenaJ]

To reiterate, I have had crushes on white people and people of other backgrounds. J is white but I don’t find her attractive. I have two secret girl crushes, one of whom is a white woman with an Italian parent like J is however J is not one of my girl crushes. The white woman I have a crush on is a dentist who is based in Texas and whose YouTube channel is public (I found her from YouTube and can provide her YouTube channel on request but her channel is public anyways). The other girl crush is my dental hygienist who was born in the Dominican Republic.

Don't worry too much about this, the aspects in the charts that show a possible attraction can also be channeled differently, and not necessarily expressed sexually. They can help create a nice basis for having good times together.

 

[ElenaJ]

Another point I wanted to add was that J was accused of racism and I am of Hispanic descent (she knows this because she’s from my neighborhood and my last name is Hispanic) so I don’t think she would find me attractive. This is alongside her snickering at K fat shaming me.

Not sure who accused you, but don't pay attention to it. You can arise above that.

 

[MeganJoZodiac]

Not sure who accused you, but don't pay attention to it. You can arise above that.

It wasn’t me who got accused it was J who was accused.

 

[ElenaJ]

It wasn’t me who got accused it was J who was accused.

Ok, so you can help her get through it.

 

[Astrokarthikji]

Synastry can suggest conflict or tension between individuals based on certain placements. A harsh aspect such as Mars square Pluto or Mars opposition Saturn can indicate aggressive behavior or control issues. Venus square Saturn or Moon square Uranus may also suggest bullying or emotional manipulation. Power struggles are often implied by these placements.