Phoenix Venus and I are also caught up, presently, in a matter that will surely cause a noticeable cry from most all in the 'Traditional Astrology" camp and it concerns the Hermetic Lots and specifically those of the Lot of Victory and the Lot of Nemesis.
We have good reason to suspect that the formula for the Lot of Victory to have been corrupted and it matters little if it was by intent or whether it was an unintentional as the have the belief that the planet that once was but was shattered and now only remains as the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter...which when accepted changes the hierarchy of planetary rulership of the Signs into a logical algorithmic pattern.
This then assigns Jupiter the rulership of Capricorn which is 'Earth Above the Earth' and represents mountains, which can be easily understood as earth being given expansion outward, growth outward, and goats are an animal to be found in mountainous terrain
(Taurus is 'Earth On the Earth' and represents the plains, and the Bull and the bovine creatures are animals of the plains. Virgo is 'Earth Below the Earth' and represents the caves and caverns not unlike wombs)
It also assigns Jupiter the rulership of Aquarius and Jupiter as the ruler of Aquarius makes exponentially more sense than Saturn as its' ruler. ..and Aquarius is Air above the Earth, the upper Atmosphere and is air expansive, air becomes thinner at high altitudes because it has expanded and as the upper atmosphere it is then 'Air Above the Earth', it is that which carries the rains and hence gives the explanation as to why Aquarius has been known as "The Water Bearer'... and it is in turn followed by the Sign of Pisces which is 'Water Above the Earth' and represents the Rain, without which there would be no rivers, streams and the like. (
Cancer is Water on the Earth and not only represents the Oceans but all lakes rivers and anything else that is a body of water upon the earth...glaciers and snowfall for that matter as well. Scorpio Water Below the Earth and represents springs and underground rivers and the like.... and springs are usually the cause of swamps.)
So by this theory as such, as the patter of the Hermetic Lots is an alternating algorithm, is as the following.
Asc. +
-
= Lot of Fortune
Asc. +
-
= Lot of Soul/Spirit
Asc. +
-
= Lot of Necessity
Asc. +
- Lot of Soul = Lot of Eros
Asc. +
-
= Lot of Courage
So, we then replace Jupiter as the "Significator" in the follow formula with the lost planet but reserving the tile of the result for that which Jupiter will yet produce.
Asc. + lost planet - Lot of Soul/Spirit = ?
...and now for Jupiter, while keeping with the pattern...
Asc. +
-
= Lot of Victory
...which does produce Sabian Symbols for the four Lots we derived, from the four aforementioned sources, that make a lot more sense as being symbolic of what I can more easily see and comprehend as being that which would provide "victory".
As it stands under the present accepted formula the Lot of Victory for the 'Zero Hour" USA natal chart calcs. to be at 09*
57' 37" which has a Sabian Symbol of;
(a Symbol I am very familiar with as this degree also just so happens to be that of my natal Part of Soul) (ibid.)
"AQUARIUS 10°: A MAN WHO HAD FOR A TIME BECOME THE EMBODIMENT OF A POPULAR IDEAL IS MADE TO REALIZE THAT AS A PERSON HE IS NOT THIS IDEAL.
KEYNOTE: The need to deal with human beings as persons rather than as screens upon which one projects one's dream and ideal.
Here we have a final statement on the relationship between mental-spiritual vision and living reality, between persons and the ideal they appear to incarnate, between the 'great lover Image' and one's need for love — a love his presence stimulated and aroused. The 'star' on the movie screen is not the actual person. The star's popularity fades away, the person remains. What has this episode of popularity actually done to the person? This is a question that can be applied to a great variety of circumstances.
This fifth symbol in the sixty-second sequence brings to our attention an issue that is basic and may confront us in various forms. Person versus archetype. This can mean a critical need for SELF-REVALUATION."
Which I have no difficulty seeing that it is symbolic of my Part of Soul I find it to be somewhat queswtionable as being symbolic of a Lot of Victory for the United States. Should we then admit that this nation is not the "Land of the Free" nor the "Land of Liberty and Justice for All", it stands to reason presently. Or that the United States is no longer though some say it never ws nor was intended to be "A Christian nation"... president Obama would surely like us all to believe that. But, since the day it was founded? I don't see it nor will I accept that.
By this other formula as producing possibly a Lot of Victory it calcs. to be at 11*
23' 57" and that is the same sign and degree of the USA's natal Part of Ancestral Heritage. (ibid.)
"VIRGO 12°: AFTER THE WEDDING, THE GROOM SNATCHES THE VEIL AWAY FROM HIS BRIDE.
KEYNOTE: The penetrating and unveiling power of the trained mind.
In contrast to the preceding symbol we have now a scene stressing a physical action with psychological and/or spiritual overtones. In ancient cosmologies the male god often appears in three roles as son, husband and father of the woman element of nature. Nature is fulfilled by the human mind and will that overcome her; she resists only better to be subdued by the power that transcends her, and by transcending her gives her a spiritual meaning. The element of 'training' in the symbolic scene comes from the fact that there has been a marriage ritual; thus the sociocultural factor is in the background. The teacher-guru is here the priest who has performed the ritual.
At this second stage the rules are reversed, the masculine element assuming the dynamic positive part in the great play of polarity. The masculine act balances the feminine dream visualization. The Keyword is UNVEILING. There can also be an unveiling of mysteries, long protected by secrecy.
That I can easily enough see as being symbolic of what would bring a Victory to the nation... but know that these are to be taken in a spiritual sense, first and foremost, and as for becoming 'Spiritually Victorious" I can totally see it as being such symbolically.
Where as the Lot so derived from the present formula for the Yeshu'a/Jesus natal chart is the first degree of Gemini being in the 1st degree of Gemini; (ibid.)
"GEMINI 1°: A GLASS-BOTTOMED BOAT REVEALS UNDERSEA WONDERS.
KEYNOTE: The revelation of unconscious energies and submerged psychic structures.
(Keyword) !"...A NEW DIMENSION OF REALITY is perceived by the earnest inquirer."
The proposed formula produced at the 6th degree of Capricorn the following ; (ibid.)
"CAPRICORN 6°: TEN LOGS LIE UNDER AN ARCHWAY LEADING TO DARKER WOODS.
KEYNOTE: The need to complete any undertaking before seeking entrance to whatever is to be found beyond.
Number 10 is a symbol of completion; it symbolizes even more the revelation of a new series of activities just ahead. Yet unless the concluded series is brought to some degree of fulfillment, nothing truly significant is likely to be accomplished by a restless reaching out toward the as-yet-unknown. Number 10 is a symbol of germination, but the seed (Number 9) must have matured well. No natural process can be accelerated safely beyond certain limits.
This represents the first stage in the fifty-sixth five-fold sequence. It establishes a foundation for what will follow. Here man reaches a THRESHOLD in which he may have to pause in order to safeguard his further advance.
It works for me...
I'll get back to this subject in a couple of days. I will be assisting a friend tomorrow and won't have time to do any writing.
I'll be back though with a few more examples in support of this theory.
I won't go changing anything on the list as yet or even put an alternative title as suggestion next to the Lot of Victory until more charts have been studied as to what can be found from comparisons using one formula and that from the other. I'll also discuss the Hermetic Lot of Nemesis aka the part of Sudden Advancement.
Comments and, or, suggestion are certainly welcome and encouraged but what I'd really like to see is someone post what they find in comparison for the two as from their own natal chart or the chart that is of a well known personage and accepted as a valid natal chart for that person.
to be continued...
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