Bullying

[Caro]

it will be the aspects between the two charts ie the victim and the bully.

I have experienced bullying behaviour from gemini's in the past at work.(sun sign gemini) Im an aqua sun. Thinking back I pushed his buttons. however this particular person was like this with others too - used to build people up then try and destroy them.


I have pisces planets. so this would have sq his gemini sun.

have seen a gemini sun married to a pisces sun - the gemini was the bully and the pisces sun walked out and left!(this is a reality tv star)

for hidden controlling behaviour I would look to pluto too not saturn.

 

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

Two people I know who love to bully, criticise and disempower have Pluto in the first house and personal planets in Cap. It always amazes me how these people tend to get away with the bullying and how the bullying is often so low key and at such a psychological level and so damaging to other's self esteem. It is like this, they have been criticised so much about their bullying, that they revert to other under-cover, decoy-types-of-ways to bully.

Often when you are at the receiving end of bullying, it is hard to understand how people can do these things. It baffles the brains really.

I have a first house pluto in Scorpio and my classmates always tell me in my younger days I was a bully. And I was I always picked fights it was a poor way of dealing with my anger because I brooded alot. In 4th grade I got my *** handed to me tho lol but I stop bullying when I found football. It was a way to unleash the energy and anger inside. I have a 12th house libra mars too but I think my first house Pluto contributed to wanting to be strong over others in my early years

 

[Flowergirl]

Thanks for sharing MPR. Yes, it is true that bullying can be as a result of being bullied and sometimes it is the only reason why people bully: to release the anger of being disempowered and dishonoured by another. Thankfully we mature and see the error of our ways and change. The two people that I mention have thankfully moved out of the situations where they were being challenged and low and behold, their bullying behaviour and anger gradually left them. I guess it is part of life and part of our learning to become human as spiritual beings.

 

[Still thinking]

There may be variations.

some people bully simply to have fun but some people seriously mean what they say(while bullying).

If Saturn is connected to 6th house then people are likely to get bullied but if saturn and mars togerther influence 6th house then that situation may turn violent.

 

[bubuza_dulce]

I think capricorn is the most domineering and heartless sign of the zodiac (the bully), if there was a sign you can attribute fascism and nihilism to, capricorn would be the sign.

I was bullied by this person! (Here is the chart). We were friends at first but she changed through the years and became obsessed with money. I still find it so hard to believe that Caps are mean since I've been helped by so many!
When we first met (we went to the same college) she seemed the nicest person around! Even now I remember how she used to be and I can't believe she's "gone"!
So she has Mars in the first house, her interest is in her career (Moon in tenth) and lately she "walked on corpses" to put her career in order, the Sun in Cap.What else? And me,Mars, Pluto and Lilith in seventh, opposing the Ascendant. In Libra. So it was a problem! But still, I have the Asc in Aries and Sun in Leo and I've never bullied anyone. On the other hand, she challenged me until the point I couldn't bear it and I stood up for myself. Speaking about Cap, she respects nothing but the brute force. It doesn't matter if you're right or if she wants something unlawful. She will leave you alone only if you stand up for yourself and you prove that you are stronger. BTW, could you tell me if I'll ever have problems with this person? I haven't had in years, but I still remember! In the present I practise kickboxing so as to never have this kind of problems again, but imagine the effect she's had on me since she made me transform like this! (because the only way to determin her to stop bugging me was to beat her up, and before that I wouldn't have touched a fly!)

 

[Sweet Pea]

I see bullies as indicated by Nessus (the centaur). Nessus placements can show where we will not take "no" for an answer, where we are pushy, stubborn and insistant, and where we force things to turn out our way. As it is slow-moving, lots of us will have it in Taurus which rather compounds its effect.

 

[astrologer50]

I see bullies as indicated by Nessus (the centaur). Nessus placements can show where we will not take "no" for an answer, where we are pushy, stubborn and insistant, and where we force things to turn out our way. As it is slow-moving, lots of us will have it in Taurus which rather compounds its effect.

I couldn't find it in taurus anywhere plus it is mentioned in *sidereal* rather than Tropical (the majority on AW)

http://wiki.astro.com/astrowiki/en/Nessus

this is still very much mythology with very little writtent about it.

http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html#Taurus

http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/fixedstars.html

 

[Mark]

I see bullies as indicated by Nessus (the centaur). Nessus placements can show where we will not take "no" for an answer, where we are pushy, stubborn and insistant, and where we force things to turn out our way. As it is slow-moving, lots of us will have it in Taurus which rather compounds its effect.

I know nothing about Nessus, but the description you've provided is the same I would have provided for the lunar apogee. I refer to the lunar apogee (the furthest point of the Moon's orbit) as the "real" Lilith. Asteroids are generally named by astronomers, not astrologers, so I usually avoid trying to read meaning into asteroid names. The "invisible Moon" idea is another matter entirely. I believe the lunar apogee meets the criteria for the abuse and neglect of the Universal order (which is Peace and Harmony) and therefore describes (by position) the manner in which we are most likely to be selfish. It was named "Lilith" by astrologers. The story of Lilith is the embodiment of the description above.

 

[soratothamax]

i am mars in pisces, and though I would rather appear strong (Venus in Aries), i am often a victim of being bullied or pushed around, and instead of standing up for myself I passively withdraw. I don't have much social skills. I have tons of friends, but I'm not a person who likes to hang out all the time. I like time to myself, and i sometimes don't even want to hang out with the friends I have. I just never "feel" like it. but i was always quiet and a bit shy in school, so people always thought I was an easy target...until they get hold of some of my other qualities which are much more aggressive.

 

[Sweet Pea]

You know, I don't mention asteroids unless I have looked at them in charts and found a correlation between the myth, and the reality of a person and what they are like, and what they happened to do when their Nessus (for example) was activated.

Is it not possible that the astronomer who named the asteroid was 'impressed' by an intuitive knowing of the quality of energy that the asteroid was giving out?

People who work with asteroids have found the most uncanny correspondences between their mythical meanings, and the myths that people are playing out in their real lives.

You can find Nessus by using the box under Extended Chart Selection on the astro.com site.

 

[crazedrat]

Any planet placed in purvabhavapada (final 13.2 degrees of aquarius for sidereal, ~middle / late pisces for tropical) will show a person who's been victimized by society. It relates to both the victim and the persecutor, often people who've been victims will transform into the persecutor.

 

[Abby83]

What in a chart do you think indicates someone who has a tendency to be bullied?

Bullying is about abuse of power so I suspect a negative Pluto and Mars influence. People who are bullied often, but not always, have poorer social skills than the norm (making them "outsiders" and hence more likely to be victimised) so I expect to see this in the chart as well.

That's true but unfortunate. My communication is poor verbally and as a result I am a definite target for those who are beautifully skilled in the area. My north node is in Gemini, poorly aspected - go figure. Mars is poorly aspected. And pluto and Saturn are in the 12th house. You are definitely right. I don't originally see myself as a victim, but ppl do target me out of the blue and i've always wondered why. I am different, and like being different, but this irritates others and is a prime situation for a bully.

 

[Abby83]

i am mars in pisces, and though I would rather appear strong (Venus in Aries), i am often a victim of being bullied or pushed around, and instead of standing up for myself I passively withdraw. I don't have much social skills. I have tons of friends, but I'm not a person who likes to hang out all the time. I like time to myself, and i sometimes don't even want to hang out with the friends I have. I just never "feel" like it. but i was always quiet and a bit shy in school, so people always thought I was an easy target...until they get hold of some of my other qualities which are much more aggressive.

Exactly. Couldn't agree more. We all seem to have the same things in common. So y does this attract bullies. Do they see our need for space as a weakness or something. I personally feel im too far evolved and mature for these bullies to even bother, but unfortunately they interfere too much and persist.

 

[poyi]

I was bullied at school, primary and secondary, my chart details are in my signature. I've been studying a bit about Saturn lately and have the following aspects that may have contributed to my bullying:
Saturn inconjunct with Venus
Saturn trine Moon

I think, Saturn inconjunct Venus means I dislike the female aspect of myself, or had difficulties with this until I matured enough to see this. So because I could not accept or was uncomfortable with this part of myself, I attracted bullying from people to confirm my negative beliefs about myself (if that makes sense..). In secondary school the bullying was only from a group of girls. It could also be because I seeked approval from others, also the opposite sex, to prove my beliefs about myself wrong.

And Moon trine Saturn, not so sure about that one, could show a neediness that attracted bullies.

NR

I think it might be the Pluto Rx at MC square Saturn Rx in 7th house. Pluto rules 11th house. So it would be talking about open enemy and people in large and through friends. Pluto Rx formed sextile to Neptune ruler of the 3rd house and on your ascendant. Neptune as ruler of the 3rd house square Moon in 3rd house. Pluto Rx quincunx Moon also. Saturn Rx quincunx Venus which is the ruler of the Pluto Rx. So I guess would be from female. It seems to continue to do so in your adult live maybe at work?

 

[theV]

That's true but unfortunate. My communication is poor verbally and as a result I am a definite target for those who are beautifully skilled in the area. My north node is in Gemini, poorly aspected - go figure. Mars is poorly aspected. And pluto and Saturn are in the 12th house. You are definitely right. I don't originally see myself as a victim, but ppl do target me out of the blue and i've always wondered why. I am different, and like being different, but this irritates others and is a prime situation for a bully.

Me too, communication always been a wounded part of me, I have a hard time making people hear me and understand me, I had hard time speaking when I was young and I used to stutter a lot

But on the bright side my voice became a gift in entertaining other I can imitaite a lot of voices

I have chiron conjunct my mercury and saturn opposite sun/mercury midpoint

 

[actio]

dunno about tendency to be bullied

a couple of interesting aspects I've noticed in charts of bullies:
- Moon-Mars-Saturn stellium in Scorpio - moody, back-stabby vindictive personality
- Sun-Moon-Mercury stellium in Sagittarius - very assertive know-it-all personality

 

[junoisuppose]

I cam to this thread because I was feeling quite down about bullying that has happened to me, and a lot of what has been said already makes sense to me (so thank you to everyone who has contributed).

I have been bullied quite a few times in my life but the ones that I am really worried about involved scorpio/pluto. This is not to say that all scorpios bully but these three women had that. One I only know that her sun sign was scorpio (she had moon in pisces, mars in virgo and venus in sagittarius) I don't know what time she was born, and her bullying caused me to quit my job. The other 2 were gemini and taurus but both had libra rising with pluto conjunct the ascendant. One I thought was a good friend so I was surprised when she tried to dominate me and hurt me. She also has mars conjunct saturn, and both of those planets are conjunct my sun, so what somebody said earlier about synastry playing a part is definitely true here. The other is a member of my family, but fortunately not close, and her saturn is square my mars so again there is synastry there. This individual did have a difficult childhood leaving her feeling disempowered but that does not mean that unacceptable and damaging behaviour should be allowed.

Anyway I was feeling down because I had read that scorpio/pluto influenced women try to control and dominate people who they see as weak. So I was wondering whether I am weak or what I have done to cause these people to think so? They are all older than me, although one only 2 months.

In my chart I have neptune square the ascendant and I have read that that can cause a person to come across as weak and to be the target of bullying.

I also have a lot of the other aspects already mentioned:

sun conjunct saturn
venus conjunct saturn
chiron square sun
sun square uranus
mars in the 12th
pluto in the 1st
mars square neptune
moon trine pluto

I had been thinking that anyone can be the victim of bullying as I have seen a lot of it in my life. Someone said earlier that it is poor social skills or being different, but everyone has something that is different about them that a bully could pick at if they wanted to, and everyone has weaknesses. And good social skills only help to some extent, it seems to me that it is the bullies and the politicians who have the good social skills in that they are charming enough to get other people to support them or at least not to stop them.

I think perhaps it is a matter of if you can stand up to the bully then it will stop.

And perhaps people were on to something when they said that self-esteem plays a role in you deciding whether or not the bully is right and whether or not you have enough power to stand up to them.

But the other thing is with all my 12th house & neptunian influence I don't stand up to them. It is not that I think that they are right, and perhaps it would even help others if I stopped the bully now, but my neptune just doesn't want to be bothered to be involved in the confrontation that would be involved.

Also I think that no matter what I said these particular individuals would get defensive and start fighting back so I would end up having to walk away anyway, so why not just walk away now?

Perhaps I'll figure it out one day.

 

[Abby83]

Hello Junoisuppose,

Your message touched me. Mostly because I posted on here perhaps a yr ago. Since then I have educated myself and now looking at your post, ive realised just how far ive come.

You are spot on with the fact that bullies target people who are different. It's a strong reaction to the fact that there is someone different, whereas others are more accepting and agree to disagree or look for common ground. The worst part is many keep doing it if they get away with it over and over again. That is, until "somebody," maybe "you" makes that change.

In my experience, pluto has been the main source that has shown me when bullying occurred. And in my opinion, having a 12th house mars does make it a little difficult to take action as decisions can be a little foggy. Delusion, umming and ahhing are such 12th house things.

Anyway, ppl like these are everywhere. It's how you deal with it. Here are my tips that have helped incredibly over the last yr.

* stay calm, speak at a slow pace, you control your pace and decision to speak
* reflective listening - THE BEST THING IN THIS LIST I CAN RECOMMEND!!!! - Reflective listening is the best way to give a mirror reflection to the bully, using communication. If you can find someone to teach u this eg communications expert, you will win most battles. Otherwise I can teach you myself.It has worked in every situation I have tried.
* pay as little attention to them as possible - (bullies are desperate for attention so they will chase after you and notice the change immediately, but the more you move on, distance yourself, focus on yourself, be vague and brief with your dealings with them the better.) They'll get angry, throw tantrums, yet u carry on. They end up wasting their time and being the loser in the end because their time was invested in you, and your time was invested in you.
*Speak in terms of positive eg: someone will say your scarfe looks disgusting. You could say - Oh, you're repulsed by this scarfe. what would you prefer instead. they say - none, theyre all ugly. u say - I actually like the pattern on this scarfe, the fabric is warm, and im proud to have gotten it discounted half price. I cant wait to wear it with my new boots. etc.

this is an off the top of my head example but if you keep persisting with your positive responses, ppl are attracted to positive, so even if the bully is frustrated, other people will eventually be attracted to your self assurance, your confidence, positivity and belief in yourself, which the bully does not have. And they crumble. In fact they've already crumbled before they even started bullying. It's just that you pulled yourself down with it.

* Stay focused on your own needs and yourself.

Anyway, these are just some things I wanted to put out there cos I can see so many people are having trouble, as did I. Love you all.

 

[Flapjacks]

But the other thing is with all my 12th house & neptunian influence I don't stand up to them. It is not that I think that they are right, and perhaps it would even help others if I stopped the bully now, but my neptune just doesn't want to be bothered to be involved in the confrontation that would be involved.

Also I think that no matter what I said these particular individuals would get defensive and start fighting back so I would end up having to walk away anyway, so why not just walk away now?

Perhaps I'll figure it out one day.

I am also touched by your troubles. I really hope you learn how to handle these bullies and get them off your back! Abby gave some really great advice.

I've found ignoring bully behavior has been the best for me... walking away is a great option. Even if the bully keeps at it, eventually their ugliness shows through where everyone can see.

When I was in middle school I had a bully that would insult me every day. Her insults often made no sense at all... for instance, I'd come to school with wet hair having showered that morning, and she'd say something like, "did you actually wash your hair or just get it wet to make it look like it?" and often, I'd just look at her blankly and then ignore her. Any attempt to be nice to her or offer friendship failed.

The day she stopped bullying me is when I had rescued a bird that had a broken wing and was taking it to the school office so it could go to an animal hospital. She tried to make fun of me for it and several classmates rejected her for ridiculing an act of compassion. Eventually a bully will be seen for what they are, and it's important for you to stay true to yourself and not bend in their wake.

 

[amrum11]

I hate to say this, but it is usually a lower level personae, such as the gray lizard scorpio with pluto, the cowardly pisces worried about social standing, the vague ambiguous fencesitter that would stab a victim if it was anonymous, but have coffee with them otherwise....thank you for the posting, this is timely, this is a current epidemic. Learn to identify them. Then, go home and read a book and watch a sunset. Hit the lottery a few times, whatever you have to do.

In full blown scorpio this is called "gangstalking"....check it out,....the latest and best american hobbie. The astrological question I pose is "who are these people, and what is their point, and , more amusing, they actually believe their actions have any relevance. They actually believe that all people are identical and share their views.
The truth is, every chart is unique, every person has their own power, and it isn't up to someone else to determine what it is. rock/paper/scissors maybe. If bullies don't kill you, you end up far better than you were before, not in spite of them, but because of them. And, similarly, many of the inverse opposites which you might think are bad might be helpful, and vice versa. Have a great day.