Can someone help read my chart for fertility/future child(ren) please?

[scwinkj8]

Hello! My name is Sarah & I'm looking for help understanding my birth chart regarding kids in the 5th house? I'm new to learning about astrology charts but what I've read about my chart from the free sites is pretty spot on. And i have been having trouble getting pregnant which I believe is because I have Aires in that 5th house. I know nothing is completely set in stone but if someone can see something I don't and let me know Id truly appreciate it! Thanks for your time

 

[Osamenor]

Aries is not an infertile sign. The infertile signs are Gemini, Virgo, and Leo. Gemini and Virgo because they're ruled by Mercury, which is known as a barren planet; Leo because it's ruled by Sun, which is hot and dry. Hot and dry isn't considered good for fertility.

For fertility, we look to the fifth house, yes, but when there are no planets in the fifth, the most relevant part is the condition of its ruler. How strong is it by sign and house? Is it in fall or detriment? Domicile or exaltation? Is it in a barren sign? A fertile sign (all the water signs are fertile)? A semi-fertile sign (that's all non-water signs except Gemini, Leo, and Virgo)?

Your fifth house ruler is Mars. Its sign placement is fine as far as dignity goes, and it's near your MC, which also gives it some dignity, but it's in barren Virgo. That's a testimony to you being possibly fertile but likely having some trouble conceiving.

The other key piece to fertility is your Moon. What condition is it in?

Moon in this case speaks to likely problems with fertility. It's in Capricorn, which is its detriment sign, and even more tellingly, it's conjunct Sun. Sun is hot and dry and a testimony to infertility.

Taken together, the chart is weighted on the side of you being, at the very least, not very fertile. While it doesn't outright guarantee that you can't get pregnant no matter what, it allows for that possibility. If you can in fact get pregnant, it's not happening easily. As you know.

 

[curiousabout77]

Hello scwink,
You cannot get pregnant until a slow moving planet makes an aspect to your ruler of the 4th house which is neptune and you need the ruler of the 5th house aspected by a slow moving planet to give birth which for you is mars.

 

[Osamenor]

Hello scwink,
You cannot get pregnant until a slow moving planet makes an aspect to your ruler of the 4th house which is neptune and you need the ruler of the 5th house aspected by a slow moving planet to give birth which for you is mars.

What's your source of information for that?

How are you defining slow moving planet? Just the outers? Those haven't been used in astrology for much more than a century, but there are pretty solid fertility determining methods based on traditional planets only. Or do you mean Saturn or Jupiter? Progressed inner planets?

 

[curiousabout77]

Hello osamenor,

I got this from a transit astrology book but I cannot remember the title.
Slow moving planet means jupiter and beyond which is able to go back and forth over the natal planet and give time for developments to happen with the help of the fast moving personal planets in transit aspects to the same natal planet. For example, if natal neptune is transit aspected by saturn and then the moon makes an aspect in transit to natal neptune too, this can create a pregnancy.

 

[ScorpioMaria]

Hello scwink,
You cannot get pregnant until a slow moving planet makes an aspect to your ruler of the 4th house which is neptune and you need the ruler of the 5th house aspected by a slow moving planet to give birth which for you is mars.

Very interesting

Dear scwink,

An outer planet aspecting the ruler of the 5th house, the house of conception (ruled by Mars in your case) may indeed be beneficial for conception;
currently Saturn is opposing your Mars, so this is unfavourable for conception;
Jupiter will be trine your Mars in mid-May to early June 2023, so this may be favourable for conception;
Saturn will again be opposed in late summer and fall 2023 and winter 2023/24;
Jupiter will be sextile your Mars in June 2025, so this may be somewhat favourable;
Saturn will be in your 5th house from February 2027-June 2028, so this will be unfavourable;
Jupiter will be conjunct your Mars in August 2027, so this may be somewhat favourable

There will be no outer planets entering your 5th house for several years, and the first will be Saturn in 2027, which is unfavourable for conception.
Jupiter is currently in your 5th house, since March, until June: this should be a good time for conception
Inner planets will be transiting your 5th house every year, though, these may be small opportunities:
Sun, Mercury, and Venus in March-May of every year, Mars in May-June 2024, Moon for 1 or 2 days every month
Jupiter will also be sextile your 5th-house cusp in July 2024, January-March 2025, and trine in August 2026; these may be small opportunities

The problem is not your Aries 5th house; the problem is your empty 5th house. Only a minority of women have an empty 5th house, and those who do often (not always) have problems with conception. Also, most of your Capricorn planets (Sun, Moon, Mercury, Neptune, Uranus) are square anything in your 5th house, which is also unfavourable. So, for you, getting pregnant will be a small miracle, though not impossible.

I also have an empty 5th house, and Saturn opposing in the 11th house; getting pregnant has been impossible for me since before I was an adult.

Please understand that there are also many other issues such as vaccination and previous use of hormones or hormonal birth control,
which also affect conception and are beyond the capacity of astrology to predict or discuss.

Sincerely,

Maria

 

[Osamenor]

The problem is not your Aries 5th house; the problem is your empty 5th house. Only a minority of women have an empty 5th house, and those who do often (not always) have problems with conception.

Empty fifth houses aren't that rare, and the mere fact of the fifth house being empty has no effect on ease of conception or lack thereof.

The difference is that if there are any planets in the fifth house, they have a message about fertility, which must be considered along with the fifth house ruler and the Moon. If the condition of the fifth house ruler and/or the Moon suggests infertility, but planets in the fifth house are more strongly in favor of fertility, that shifts the balance more in favor of fertility. The reverse is also true.

So planets in the fifth house could make the chart overall somewhat more or less fertile, while not having planets in the fifth house takes that testimony out of the picture, leaving the fifth house ruler and Moon to carry all that weight. The net result is that people with planets in the fifth and people without them are, in general, equally fertile. There's great variation among individuals, of course, but that depends on what exactly their fertility testimonies are. And on other factors, like how fertile their partners are (or aren't), medical conditions, use of medication, etc.

If there are planets in the fifth house, transiting aspects to those planets may also correlate with conception. If there are none, again, the fifth house ruler and the Moon carry all that weight.

 

[Osamenor]

I also have an empty 5th house, and Saturn opposing in the 11th house; getting pregnant has been impossible for me since before I was an adult.

What sign is your fifth house cusp in? What's the condition of your fifth house ruler? What sign and house is it in? What's the condition of your Moon? What sign and house is it in? What aspects are your fifth house ruler and your Moon involved in?

Those are the astrological reasons why you haven't been able to get pregnant. Not your fifth house being empty. Not having Saturn in your eleventh house, either. If you had a planet in the fifth with Saturn in opposition to it, that might be a factor, but not enough to make you completely infertile all by itself. It takes multiple testimonies to infertility for actual infertility to show up.

And, sometimes, the odds get beaten even then. Fertility is much more complicated than even the most complex astrology can suss out.

 

[ScorpioMaria]

What sign is your fifth house cusp in? What's the condition of your fifth house ruler? What sign and house is it in? What's the condition of your Moon? What sign and house is it in? What aspects are your fifth house ruler and your Moon involved in?

Those are the astrological reasons why you haven't been able to get pregnant. Not your fifth house being empty. Not having Saturn in your eleventh house, either. If you had a planet in the fifth with Saturn in opposition to it, that might be a factor, but not enough to make you completely infertile all by itself. It takes multiple testimonies to infertility for actual infertility to show up.

And, sometimes, the odds get beaten even then. Fertility is much more complicated than even the most complex astrology can suss out.

My 5th house (Cancer) ruler is my Moon in Pisces in the 12th house, unaspected except for an opposition to Jupiter (orb 9.5 degrees)

I've never used birth control or contraception, but I have a lifelong fertility problem, possibly caused by sexual habits (some irony), certainly not affected by the Moon in Pisces in the 12th; Moon should mostly be my emotions, reactions, relationship with my mother or relationships with my children

I read somewhere (in a book) that an empty house, especially with unfavourably positioned planets in other houses, should de-emphasise the themes of that house; I do not remember the name of the book, but it seems logical to me.
Likewise a transiting planet in an empty house has some relevance to the themes of that house
Likewise a partner's planet in your otherwise empty house has some relevance to the themes of that house

House rulers matter, but so do the houses themselves, and whether they are empty or have Saturn in them.
A person with an empty 9th house probably will be 'mostly empty' in the themes of the 9th house.
Just like a person with a full 9th house probably will be full of the themes of the 9th house.
This is only logical; so with abundance, so with scarcity.

Likewise, a person with an empty or Saturn-only 5th house probably will not be very fruitful.
And Saturn opposing the 5th house ruler (in her case) or cusp (in my case) is also unfavourable for conception.
And her Sun and Moon square the 5th house cusp is also unfavourable for conception.
The condition of the houses is more telling and relevant than whether Mars is in Virgo or whether the Moon is conjunct the Sun in Capricorn.

Moreover the original poster would like some practical astrological advice, not a debate on whether the house or house ruler is more important

(I think the house is more important than the ruler, based on my personal experience; houses show emphasis on certain areas of life)