Do you see music/art here?

[Liv1312]

Hey!
As many I guess, I've ben reading my chart again and again but feel too many blind spots...
Do you see any music in my chart? What is the place of art?
Speaking from my 12th house venus, I frankly don't have a clue... in my life I've been writing, drawing, playing music on and off but never putting real effort into it, I've always thought it was just a hobby and kept everything for myself. But since Pluto is transiting on my venus now, I feel a terrible URGE to share share share! And I can't cope with that at all... it's so overwhelming... I don't think I am good enough in art, but on the other hand I feel like I don't care about anything else at the moment, which is crazy since, as I wrote before, it has always been just a silly hobby for me.

I am focusing on songrwriting now... that's why I ask about music specifically.

Thank you for your precious time and attention <3


p.s. I was an intermittent user of astro.com forum and I feel so lost now I've read it's closed forever!! :'( what a shame, it was such a nice place and full of people and interesting discussions...


Liv.

 

[Ecliptique]

Hello Liv1312,

welcome to this forum, after having kept good memories on Astro.com.

Can you put your natal chart back?

Ecliptique.

 

[Ailithjohnson]

Hi there! You have Venus Pluto in the 12th house and currently you have Venus Pluto transiting over this placement and no wonder you are keen on creating and wanting to reveal. Venus placed in the 12th house means that your creative self lies dormant and it’s time to come out. Pluto magnifies this need, helping you to challenge hesitations and accept your creativeness. Songwriting, for one, can be a deep process, one that seems to harbor these kinds of energies well. Have faith that it is okay to be creative right now—your chart indicates that these abilities are not just simple interests but are, in fact, pieces of your soul’s work.​

 

[Outlook]

we all have music and art skillset. its a given. we are creative therefore we create. thats art. some just like to focus more on it because they want to develop it more. and they do. some even make good money singing badly because people pay for entertainment so if you do bad well…you can score. but i havent met a human who cant sing yet…or paint.

 

[Liv1312]

sorry!! here is the chart again....

 

[Ecliptique]

Liv1312,

you still have Pluto transiting Venus and the Moon right now. This can only stay at the level of what you like and your thoughts. However, in 2025, you could get more concrete with the transits of Venus, Saturn and Neptune from the beginning of 2025 by holding on to something that seems difficult to achieve. You may be difficult to please with regard to what you like by being very sensitive to it. This will be a significant period for you.

Ecliptique.

 

[Glory]

I'm not good at astrology, but it seems to me that you have a very cool map, the sun In Sagittarius increases the probability that you will become famous, it seems that most writers are Sagittarians, the moon is in cancer, you are quite sensitive, it's probably good for art

 

[Outlook]

what you have there is conflicted needs, that if worked with to achieve a balance can bring you huge rewards.

but your sun is unaspected…not aware…not personally connected to the drama and distanced from it all.

it all seems to happen around you without personally touching you. there is no personal meaning…sense of achievement…ego gratification….. which is why you cant derive any sense of achievement to enjoy. Its all like a thankless endless task that takes a life of its own.

there is huge talent there and broad visionary ability and engineering capacity…. we all use engineering in every day life not onlynin thech! its the building blocks for creating unique art and not just copy cat replicas! your mind can be highly inspired…or delusional…its a 50:50 and which it is at any given moment, one never can tell! but there is a tendency for attention span difficulties indicated. I guess with all that inspiration, it can take you 360 degrees to infinity. you can do anything…but….now how to harness all that?!

and why would you when your ego says ….not my problem!?

 

[Frisiangal]

Hi Liv1312,
When tr. Pluto made its first pass to natal Venus and by doing so, also harshly aspected natal Moon early this year, did it correspond to a particularly personal emotional period similar to 'finalisation' and/or ' permanent loss' of some kind in your life?
Natal Pluto forms a 75 degree aspect to natal Venus, and a 135 degree aspect to natal Moon. With all 3 planets in the WATER houses, the aspects could well relate to some kind of struggle and tension in 'reaching' one's feelings that lie deep below the surface.
When periods of Pluto type trauma/tragedy occur, it has been observed that many find a means of expressing the force TO their emotions through some kind of creative outlet.
It is the planet Neptune that gives access to the artistic talent in it many forms. Earlier this year transit Neptune in its own sign and ruler Ascendant made a positive aspect to natal Mars. In doing so, it activated the harsh aspect between the planets in the natal chart. Mars always refers to some kind of energy force. It could be this transiting aspect that. together with tr. Pluto-natal Venus , is aiding in dealing with the 'overwhelming' effect of whatever occured earlier in the year.

Natal Moon in its own sign and house (per house system shown) is trine Pisces Ascendant, emphasising the instinctive, inherent feelings that can find outer expression through its nature. Moon opposes those natal planets in Capricorn which, when their energy is used in a positive manner, can give manifestational form to all that one feels within. Mercury is the word, Neptune the music, Saturn 'the written outer form'. Could they also represent a fear of some kind that is now finding outer expression in the physical world ?

A secondary progressed/solar arc direction chart (available from astro. com) would provide more information re: this period of life.

 

[Liv1312]

Hi Liv1312,
When tr. Pluto made its first pass to natal Venus and by doing so, also harshly aspected natal Moon early this year, did it correspond to a particularly personal emotional period similar to 'finalisation' and/or ' permanent loss' of some kind in your life?
Natal Pluto forms a 75 degree aspect to natal Venus, and a 135 degree aspect to natal Moon. With all 3 planets in the WATER houses, the aspects could well relate to some kind of struggle and tension in 'reaching' one's feelings that lie deep below the surface.
When periods of Pluto type trauma/tragedy occur, it has been observed that many find a means of expressing the force TO their emotions through some kind of creative outlet.
It is the planet Neptune that gives access to the artistic talent in it many forms. Earlier this year transit Neptune in its own sign and ruler Ascendant made a positive aspect to natal Mars. In doing so, it activated the harsh aspect between the planets in the natal chart. Mars always refers to some kind of energy force. It could be this transiting aspect that. together with tr. Pluto-natal Venus , is aiding in dealing with the 'overwhelming' effect of whatever occured earlier in the year.

Natal Moon in its own sign and house (per house system shown) is trine Pisces Ascendant, emphasising the instinctive, inherent feelings that can find outer expression through its nature. Moon opposes those natal planets in Capricorn which, when their energy is used in a positive manner, can give manifestational form to all that one feels within. Mercury is the word, Neptune the music, Saturn 'the written outer form'. Could they also represent a fear of some kind that is now finding outer expression in the physical world ?

A secondary progressed/solar arc direction chart (available from astro. com) would provide more information re: this period of life.

Hello Frisiangal,
so what happened at the beginning of this year was for sure overwhelming: I fell in love, deeply, with someone that is a real artist and musician, first through her art and then with her as a person. It was already a year since I had decided to take responsability of my music side and since then (january 2023) I've been meeting amazing, lovely, precious people that made my steps easier and meaningful. But for sure the person I met at the beginning of this year made me burst open in a way that was both terrifying and full of mystical love. This meeting made me jump huge steps in my songwriting skills and in deepening my understanding of the meaning of music and love in my life.
I have come to understand that for me music is all about love, it's my love language, a love language that was born from grieving creatures I have loved that passed away or just left my life. I started songwriting to speak with them, more then 7 years ago... but never shared it with anyone (damn 12th house!). And now here I am... still struggling to give myself permission to do so.

@Outlook: I know my natal unaspected sun is somehow detached from the rest of my life. In fact I am not successful as a MC sun in the 10th house would suggest and I don't think I will ever be, in any area of my life. I always feel kind of a weirdo, walking on a world that I don't completely feel as a home. And sometimes I feel like ma ego goes into all-or-nothing dynamic, and attacks me from within.

I've been speaking with some people that made music in the past, just as side projects in their life, and many of them have stopped, some are ashamed of what they did. It's now one of my worst fears, to expose myself and then, maybe years later, regret about it! That's also why I am trying to trace down on my chart signs that music is really there for me... but I guess I should just have faith?

For example, I've read that usually singers have taurus influences... I don't have any. And creative 5th house has Jupiter yes, but with harsh oppositions... and that venus, in the house of secrets, makes me wonder if I should really keep everything inside...

Sorry, long post!!! Thank you so much for all the comments you made me think things through with more awareness <3

 

[John Thompson]

: I know my natal unaspected sun is somehow detached from the rest of my life. In fact I am not successful as a MC sun in the 10th house would suggest and I don't think I will ever be, in any area of my life. I always feel kind of a weirdo, walking on a world that I don't completely feel as a home. And sometimes I feel like ma ego goes into all-or-nothing dynamic, and attacks me from within.

When we have an unaspected planet, as a singleton it can often be an overriding influence in many aspects of our lives. When I see an unaspected planet the first thing I do is to check if it is at an antiscion degree with another planet [planets equidistant to 0 degrees Cancer/Capricorn]. The Sun is at the antiscion of Mercury, ruler of the 7th. For musicians, the 7th is not only our partnerships but also our audience; very important. Often in the charts of musicians I have seen the Moon in 7th etc [nurturing ones audience]. Play with the symbolism of Sag/Cap in this regard, and I think much sense can be made of that which you speak of, and may well give a little more confidence. I have been a musician all of my life, have played from medieval music to punk, and have always enjoyed performing which means I'm not embarrassed of anything I've done.

 

[Outlook]

I M not sure honestly about you ever knowing personal success. at the end of the day success is a buy in from people supporting your effort towards something they like or support.

but maybe you can try. what do you have to lose? use well know techniques … learn them….practice them and use them. they will take an awful lot of your energy since its purposeful not natural needing heaps of energy, especially in the beginning.

the reward is again not direct, you will need to be satisfied with perception of reward…ie financial returns or other indicators like people listing to your stuff, coming to your shows etc etc, all indicating success, not ego polishing.

there are times you will feel connected…. moon transits to sun, other transits to sun. diarise those and use them. try remember how it feels to use when the transit is done.