For my daughter - interpretations of Mars on the IC

[star2858]

Hi team,

I want to get a few honest opinions from some of you seasoned astrologists out there. I am attaching my daughter’s birth chart here, and I do have some understanding of astrology too so please don’t hold back! I think that ever since she was born, it has always plagued me that she has a chart that suggests marriage and relationships would be an area of difficulty. This is also because mars and Uranus form a tight angle.(I’ve got a Stellium of planets in Virgo, so please forgive me!) This is more so because she has Mars in the fourth house, which conforms to Vedic perceptions of being a ‘manglik’, meaning divorce and separation might be on the cards. I’ve kind of accepted all of this now, mainly because I don’t know what else to believe. However, I wanted to know whether there were any signs that she would be or remain childless as well in the future? I think it’s a powerful combination to have Mars sitting right on the IC, it almost feels like an explosive angle, but I cannot explain in what shape or form. I worry also about my daughter Saturn being in the first house and Uranus in the fifth house.

Could anyone share any observations? Many thanks

 

[waybread]

Mama, your daughter is lucky that you care so much about her and her future.

I think the main thing is not to over-think her chart, such that you hold strong pre-determined negative views about what is possible in her life. These can intrude into your relationship, while she is still so young. I am not saying you do this, but it is a danger. Every planet, sign, and house has multiple interpretations that are consistent with their core meanings. Rather than focusing on fears for your daughter's future, it would be good if you could work with her towards the empowering interpretations.

How would you describe your daughter's home life and early childhood conditioning right now? Mars-Chiron on the IC square Saturn in the first suggest some struggles.

Venus-Neptune suggest to me that your daughter has a strong imaginative, creative streak, which could be nurtured.

In 2024, a lot of people are beyond the stage of thinking a woman's life is ruined if she doesn't have a stable marriage and children. Women today have so many options. Many are happily single and childless.

 

[star2858]

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Hi is it possible to repost the chart so that a PDF doesn’t need to be downloaded?

Hello!

Does this help?

Thanks!

 

[star2858]

Mama, your daughter is lucky that you care so much about her and her future.

I think the main thing is not to over-think her chart, such that you hold strong pre-determined negative views about what is possible in her life. These can intrude into your relationship, while she is still so young. I am not saying you do this, but it is a danger. Every planet, sign, and house has multiple interpretations that are consistent with their core meanings. Rather than focusing on fears for your daughter's future, it would be good if you could work with her towards the empowering interpretations.

How would you describe your daughter's home life and early childhood conditioning right now? Mars-Chiron on the IC square Saturn in the first suggest some struggles.

Venus-Neptune suggest to me that your daughter has a strong imaginative, creative streak, which could be nurtured.

In 2024, a lot of people are beyond the stage of thinking a woman's life is ruined if she doesn't have a stable marriage and children. Women today have so many options. Many are happily single and childless.

I would say her childhood right now is ok. She’s happy at school, comfortable at home. She sometimes complains I’m treating her brother better than I’m treating her. Sometimes I think I’m a helicopter mum trying to push her academically. The creativity in her is clearly there though!

 

[katydid]

Hi team,

I want to get a few honest opinions from some of you seasoned astrologists out there. I am attaching my daughter’s birth chart here, and I do have some understanding of astrology too so please don’t hold back! I think that ever since she was born, it has always plagued me that she has a chart that suggests marriage and relationships would be an area of difficulty. This is also because mars and Uranus form a tight angle.(I’ve got a Stellium of planets in Virgo, so please forgive me!) This is more so because she has Mars in the fourth house, which conforms to Vedic perceptions of being a ‘manglik’, meaning divorce and separation might be on the cards.

I don't come to the same conclusions, as the above, astrologically....Marriage and relationships in her chart may be seen by her Exalted Venus in Pisces, conjunct Neptune, ruler of Pisces, opposed the Moon in Virgo. She will have much love and romance in her life.

I think it is possible that the opposition to the Virgo Moon might indicate that although she feels fulfilled by her Venus/Neptunian relationship , her family might not be as supportive of her choice of partner. It could be a conflict between religious preferences or cultural differences or a totally different way to define their relationship from what she learned as a child. She is very young so we have no idea how those kinds of definitions might change/grow/progress in the next few decades.

Her Venus, ruler of her 7th of marriage is in an applying trine to Pluto in the 2nd in Capricorn. So I do think she will have a solid traditional foundation for her relationship. I don't think you have to worry.

Her Venus is sandwhiched between Neptune and Mars/Chiron in the 4th. Venus rules her 7th and her 11th, with Jupiter in Libra in the 11th. I don't think she will ever lack for love or partnership opportunities. She will have a lot of close friendships and a good network of community support.

It might take awhile for her to make a long, steady commitment with all that opportunity and excitement but that T-square to Saturn will help her learn the necessary lessons for growth. She will look to you and her father for support as she learns those vital lessons.

I’ve kind of accepted all of this now, mainly because I don’t know what else to believe. However, I wanted to know whether there were any signs that she would be or remain childless as well in the future? I think it’s a powerful combination to have Mars sitting right on the IC, it almost feels like an explosive angle, but I cannot explain in what shape or form. I worry also about my daughter Saturn being in the first house and Uranus in the fifth house.[/unquote]

I DON'T KNOW HOW to get the remaining notes out of the quote box, lol, but the next words are part of the interpretation:

[unquote]
It is important that you don't look at these aspects with feelings of dread. That is a dangerous situation for astrologers with their own children and grandchildren.

I remember leaving the OB-GYN and looking up the due date of our first child---and I sat frozen looking at April 1988 and seeing the Sun Square Saturn/Uranus/Neptune conjunction in Capricorn. I was initially frightened but knew I couldn't hold on to that fear of my newborn's birth chart. Eventually I saw and experienced the beauty and mystery unlocked by those aspects. They were his life experiences and journeys--not mine.

As for the assumption she will be 'childless' ---I don't see it the same way. Fertility is seen in the 5th house of a female's chart. She has Uranus there trine Saturn. Seems to me that IF she decided she wanted children she'd have options to do so. Again, she is only 7 so it is nothing to focus on at this time---other than to say, please don't have concrete doubts in your mind about those issues for her. Let her grow, mature and come to her own realisations and conclusions...she may marry someone raising their children all alone and needing her to mother them....she may become a mother/mentor in other ways. OR if she does want children she may be able to do so and will surprise you because Uranus is just that way.

Her 4th house stellium is in the house of 'mothering, caring, devotion.' So in some deep capacity she will be a loving, devoted, emotional caretaker. The opposition from the Moon in Virgo might indicate she could do so in a variety of ways. She could rescue animals, or foster children, or teach special needs, or mentor artists or musicians, endless possibilities.

The T-square from Saturn is greatly helped and enhanced by the sextile from Jupiter in Libra and the Trine from Uranus. So that Saturn is not the severe, dreadful taskmaster that you might fear it could be. I think she will be very hard on herself at times---so you and hr father don't need to add to any self doubt. She will take lessons and beliefs very seriously. She will hold herself to high standards and high expectations.

Her Sun is the apex of a T-square between Jupiter/Uranus. That seems like she may see her personal mission to be changing the world for the better by getting rid of outdated rules, societal expectations. She wants to create the FUTURE. She may have a hard time accepting traditional religious or philosophical beliefs and feel the need to rebel against them when she is young. As she matures she will understand those things better. But her Pre-teen and teen years may be a bit rough for the family. lol

She has her Moon at the top of her chart. You, as 'her moon' will be highly regarded, highly loved and respected in her early years. But it is possible she will rebel at some point for awhile. It is the common mother/daughter thing of course. But if you can build a strong foundation in the early years, and learn not to take it personally in her teen years, you can find your way back to each other before her Saturn return. Her Moon Trines Pluto conjunct her Sun---I think you've had many past incarnations together so you will be good. [unquote]

Could anyone share any observations? Many thanks

 

[star2858]

Does your daughter have siblings? What about any other immediate, day to day relationships, could be family or otherwise, that could be quite significant from your daughter’s point of view? How would you describe your day to day, neighbourhood environment, and what sort of influence or impact could this have on your daughter from her point of view?

Has your daughter shown any special/particular interests or aptitudes? What is your daughter’s school experience like? What about even pre-school, kindergarten (if she attended)?

Whatever you answer to any of the above, could you then please describe your own thoughts/opinions/feelings about, and personal relationship to these things?

Saturn and previously Jupiter have transited this 3rd/IC/4th area of your daughter’s chart. If you are able to track back to when these transits occurred and note anything significant within your daughter’s experience during these times, this will also help to get a clearer picture of what this Pisces stellium is about.

Hello!

My daughter has a younger brother. They are close. Day to day environment - structured, she likes to relax, study, go to school. Close relationship with grandparents on both side. I think she has not seen any physical lacking in her childhood, this may make her less likely to compromise in relationships in the future as she has not had to live in the kind of childhood I had (few possessions/luxuries). Other more distant relationships - there have been fallout between cousins side both side of family.

Special interests - creative more than academic. Arts. Make-up, a knack for coming up with quirky marketing worthy labels/names. Average achiever at school. Nursery/school - popular, obedient kid. No troubles from what I know. She’s sensitive by nature I think but definitely had a moral compass and a desire to seek out similarly in others. I can see this from her choice of friends so far.

My son was diagnosed with autism in Dec 2023. He not that ‘bad’ though, so to speak but my daughter has had to flex around his quirks at times.

Her moon in Virgo in 9th is me for sure: busy working two jobs, have high expectations of her and I think I model the organised mum thing for her too.

 

[star2858]

I don't come to the same conclusions, as the above, astrologically....Marriage and relationships in her chart may be seen by her Exalted Venus in Pisces, conjunct Neptune, ruler of Pisces, opposed the Moon in Virgo. She will have much love and romance in her life.

I think it is possible that the opposition to the Virgo Moon might indicate that although she feels fulfilled by her Venus/Neptunian relationship , her family might not be as supportive of her choice of partner. It could be a conflict between religious preferences or cultural differences or a totally different way to define their relationship from what she learned as a child. She is very young so we have no idea how those kinds of definitions might change/grow/progress in the next few decades.

Her Venus, ruler of her 7th of marriage is in an applying trine to Pluto in the 2nd in Capricorn. So I do think she will have a solid traditional foundation for her relationship. I don't think you have to worry.

Her Venus is sandwhiched between Neptune and Mars/Chiron in the 4th. Venus rules her 7th and her 11th, with Jupiter in Libra in the 11th. I don't think she will ever lack for love or partnership opportunities. She will have a lot of close friendships and a good network of community support.

It might take awhile for her to make a long, steady commitment with all that opportunity and excitement but that T-square to Saturn will help her learn the necessary lessons for growth. She will look to you and her father for support as she learns those vital lessons.





I DON'T KNOW HOW to get the remaining notes out of the quote box, lol, but the next words are part of the interpretation:

Thanks, Katy. This is really sound advice so thanks. I agree that the mars/Uranus does suggest a rebellious side. 3rd house presence suggests friends and sibling circle. Saturn applying to mars suggests obstacles and delays but Saturn always rewards in the end too (I have this aspect too) .

 

[katydid]

Okay thank you for clarifying all this!

I would venture to say that some of your daughter’s Pisces stellium would relate to her relationship with her younger brother, and the effect that this has on the way she learns to relate with others on an fundamental.

The Pisces stellium opposed by the Moon in Virgo 9th suggests to me that, from your daughter’s point of view, there is a discrepancy between how she emotionally relates and understands her experience (influenced by your nurturing and influence as her mother) and her mental understanding that is acquired through her more immediate and direct interaction with her environment, including her relationship with her younger brother.

With the Moon being in Virgo, I would feel that your daughter has emotionally adopted an orientation that is analytical and focused on proper understanding and improvement, but could develop at times into extremes that could be self-critical and self-negating, in the face of whatever your daughter feels she is not able to “properly” handle, improve, organise, or even make sense of with certainty because by nature it isn’t necessarily incorporated into her emotional framework of understanding (Moon Virgo 9th).

So maybe where you could support your daughter in this opposition, is by bringing that Moon in Virgo 9th INTO her Pisces 3rd house, rather than keeping the polarities separated.

What I mean by this is, rather than the Moon Virgo 9th acting as this framework of understanding that is separated from and may not be able to fully incorporate her direct, immediate experience, offer your daughter opportunities to utilise this Moon more directly within herself, so that she can create new “connections” of understanding. For example, maybe you could start getting your daughter to journal and scrapbook, as a vehicle through which she can make her own sense of her experience.

Through doing so, she will then be able to bring that Pisces stellium into her 9th house, which means integrating these Piscean facets of her experience into her emotional framework of understanding - including the parts that by default don’t “fit in” or have been outside the scope of consideration.

Please let me know if there are any parts that are not clear and I will try my best to clarify for you! I’m still myself trying to figure out what I am trying to say, but hopefully I have made some sense so far!

"What I mean by this is, rather than the Moon Virgo 9th acting as this framework of understanding that is separated from and may not be able to fully incorporate her direct, immediate experience, offer your daughter opportunities to utilise this Moon more directly within herself, so that she can create new “connections” of understanding. For example, maybe you could start getting your daughter to journal and scrapbook, as a vehicle through which she can make her own sense of her experience.

Through doing so, she will then be able to bring that Pisces stellium into her 9th house, which means integrating these Piscean facets of her experience into her emotional framework of understanding - including the parts that by default don’t “fit in” or have been outside the scope of consideration."


I really resonate with^^^ this, especially because she has a strong Uranus in her 5th of creativity and it squares her Sun/Pluto.And those Piscean feelings and emotions can feed those artistic creative sparks.

That Uranus can 'save' her Sun/Pluto intense self examination and turn it into a creative exercise that could have life long benefits. The Uranus/Jupiter in the creative axis could generate artistic skills/visions/content that she could use to regulate her own deep feelings and concerns.

It could be helpful to support and allow her to explore and attempt any creative outlet she finds interesting---music, drawing, painting, photography, coding, computer graphics, video content, creating videos or you-tubes, dancing, writing, etc ...

Also, try not to judge or criticise if she jumps from one thing or another for awhile...Jupiter opposed Uranus is not always 'constant' but will eventually land upon the right quest, but it may take a few twists and turns but they will gain a lot of knowledge and experience along that interesting journey