piercethevale
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Greetings. this is an sudden and unplanned for thread as I only became aware of a controversy concerning, the one time member of the musical group known as the Beatles, the late George Harrison>
It was late last evening and although I had other plans I wanted to check my emails at my yahoo address...as don't use it so much anymore...and as I have had that address for so long a time it does get collect a lot of mail in the inbox when I don't check it for many days at a time. If I neglect it for too long the sorting and deletion process becomes very time consuming and wearisome.
I rarely read any emails from Astrodienst but last night was an exception and I have no explanation why I chose to open their email to me, but I did.
I was immediately intrigued by an article they offered for reading, at their website,
It is titled "George Harrison: The Astrology of a Beatle" and is written by Jackie Taylor
The into to the article that appeared in the email begins with...
"An ardent Beatles fan examines the life and times of the 'Quiet One' and his two birth charts (one rectified – thanks to his interest in astrology). Among other things, can we tell from his appearance and behaviour which was his likely rising sign – Libra or Scorpio?"
I had to check it out, for one thing I sensed it to be a challenge and I can't often resist this kind of a challenge.
For those of you that wish to read the article, here's the link: https://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article190502_e.htm
I have often written that the Sabian Symbols are the ultimate tool to utilize for chart rectification and thought this would be an excellent exercise.
Now, before I go on any further, I wish to make all aware that I've not given the two charts anything as near as to what I might call a complete analysis, in fact far from it, but as I have checked the Sabian Symbols for the chart axes and derived the Part of Fortune for each chart and thus acquired the Sabian Symbol for each, I thought that to be interesting enough, so far, to open a thread on the subject.
It certainly won't be as easy as I thought it might be. or hoped it to be, as I can see how some symbols from each of the two charts could be appropriate to the man, his life, and career.
One chart is from the data his own mother noted in her journal as to when she said George had been born and the other is what a professional astrologer told George his birth chart was after they had "rectified" it.
His mother had written that George was born on February 25, 1943 at 00:10 A.M., that is to say at ten minutes past mid-night.
The astrologer, He hired, claimed that February 24, at 23:42 is correct.
Here are the two charts in the same order.
As to the chart for the time his mother I'd like to begin with the Sabian Symbol for the chart Asc. As the late Dane Rudhyar had written , the Sabian Symbol for the natal Asc. is the "WHO" of that individuals existence and that the Desc. is symbolically the "WHERE-TO" although at times I find that the term "WHOM-TO" to be a more appropriate and less confusing term to use.
The Asc. of the chart for Feb. 25th, 1943, which is at 03* Scorpio 14' 06, i.e. the 4th degree of Scorpio, is as follows [From Dane Rudhyar's book about the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"] If it is George's chart then this is symbolic of who he was.
"SCORPIO 4°: A YOUTH CARRIES A LIGHTED CANDLE IN A DEVOTIONAL RITUAL.
KEYNOTE: The educative power of ceremonies which impress the great images of a culture upon its gathered participants.
A community of human beings is ensouled by a few basic symbols which structure and illustrate the group's particular culture and way of life. Rituals and social ceremonies of all types (from a baseball game to a ticker-tape parade for returning heroes, or a religious service in an old cathedral) incorporate these symbols in traditional forms of activity. As they participate in these collective presentations of commonly accepted values and ideals, the minds and feelings of young people are formed by these symbols. They take the values for granted until the day when they choose to assert their individuality — or their participation in a generation's revolt — by scorning the traditional rituals, including as well business rituals. Then they may poignantly search for new ones to participate in!
This fourth stage symbol pictures for us the method by which a community of feelings is built during the formative years of childhood and adolescence. The zodiacal sign Scorpio is especially related to rituals including the sex rituals which unite the communicants at the roots of their beings. In these sex rituals too, THE POWER OF SYMBOLS is evident, above and beyond the mere biological act."
I don't know a great deal of personal information about George Harrison's private life and pale in comparison to others that know about his public life, but He was my favorite Beatle as a musician and admire him for finding his spiritual calling and honoring it both musically and his acts and deeds in support of the people and the faith of the Sanatan Dharm [Hinduism].
It does seem to be a somewhat fitting symbolism for His ascendant.
Now let's examine the Sabian Symbol for the Sign and degree of the Descendant, which would then be symbolic of His ""WHERE-TO" , OR "WHOM-TO" as I sometimes find to be more preferable, and see just how fitting that may be? It is, of course, that of the 4th degree of Taurus. [ibid.]
"TAURUS 4°: THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW.
KEYNOTE: Riches that come from linking the celestial and the earthly nature.
In Genesis, the rainbow is the symbol of the Covenant of God with Noah. In all mythologies it expresses, in one way or another, a linking process — or the bridge used by divine beings to communicate with mortals. What the linking process brings to the individual consciousness is elusive, as the rainbow never ends where you are, yet it is the source of symbolic, universally valid wealth. All wealth, in a very real sense, comes from 'commerce'; i.e. from the commingling of minds and from contracts, and thus is based on faith in the validity of a promise.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold process we are given a mode of
operation, which reminds us of the symbol for the second stage, 'an electrical storm'. Man need not be overawed by the celestial display of power, for it leads to a fruitful contact with beings of light. This is a natural kind of COMMUNION, involving a transubstantiation of matter."
Yes, that does seem to be most appropriate, now doesn't it? Quite literally too...!
Let's continue on and analyze the other two axis points, the Mid-Haven and the Nadir, although before jumping to any conclusions, however, shall we?
The M.C.'s Sabian Symbol for it's Sign and degree is symbolically the "HOW" of a natal chart when interpreted in the view of looking towards spiritual evolution, or spiritual progress if you prefer, yet it is also the "WHY" of the natal chart when interpreted in regards to the mundane.
The "HOW" and "WHY" of a natal chart are in reference to the transition, the transformation, indicated by the Sabian Symbolism given for the ascendant to that of the Sabian Symbolism given for the descendant.
The M.C. of this chart is at 16* Leo 04' 23", i.e. the 17th degree of Leo. [ibid.]
"LEO 17°: A VOLUNTEER CHURCH CHOIR SINGING RELIGIOUS HYMNS.
KEYNOTE: The feeling of togetherness which unites men and women in their dedication to a collective ideal.
Religion in its institutionalized aspect is the attempt to give a transcendental character to the feeling of community. The fellowship of common work needed for substance and security in a dangerous world is exalted in periodic rituals in which the co-workers participate. At such moments the consciousness and feelings of human beings flow into a common mold in which they become refreshed by the experience of shared values and beliefs.
This second stage symbol presents a contrast with that of the first only in that the collectively human aspect of experience is in contrast to the purely natural and fundamental character of instinctual life. The existence of a volunteer church choir implies a rather steady phase of culture and society. What is sung reflects the special way in which a particular community of human beings — extensive as it may be — interprets the deepest realities of human existence and man's longings for an ideal. The symbol expresses the idealized aspect of TOGETHERNESS."
HARE KRISHNA HARE RAMA, MY SWEET LORD...! How much more appropriate a Sabian Symbol could there be for the symbolism of George Harrison's mid-haven, THAT which is symbolically the "HOW" as to make a successful transition, the transformation, from that of a boy, or young man, carrying a candle in ritual devotion to that of a "Pot Of Gold" that will only manifest from successfully "linking the celestial and the earthly nature"?
But as affirmative as all the preceding Sabian Symbols have been so far, let us not be hasty as we still have the Sabian Symbol for the I.C. to examine...and since I took the liberty here in the matter regarding the M.C. and went with the spiritually oriented interpretation I'll continue along that same vein if no one objects? Those that do can just reverse the roles for themselves and their own satisfaction. I do agree with fellow member PhoenixVenus, however, that it is important to be aware of both interpretations and to make effort to utilize them in both manners.
So then, on to the last point of the chart axis, the I.C., the nadir, and let's have a look at the Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree o Aquarius, the "WHY" as to all of the above, [pun somewhat intended] and we will see if it is as fitting as all the previous when given consideration to the symbolism it contains in relation to the life of George Harrison.
The Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree of Aquarius is by Dane Rudhyar's analysis and interpretation [ibid.]
"AQUARIUS 17°: A WATCHDOG STANDS GUARD, PROTECTING HIS MASTER AND HIS POSSESSIONS.
KEYNOTE: The development of the capacity to protect one-self and to safeguard one's individual rights under complex social pressures.
What seems to be implied in this symbol, considering its position in the entire cycle, is that under present-day social conditions the individual person needs protection against the ever-growing encroachments of society upon his theoretically recognized right to lead a private life free from public interference. Seen in this light the symbol stands in contrast to the preceding one depicting the power of big business and the totalitarian implications of large-scale organization. At a deeper occult level of interpretation it also reveals the need to protect oneself against 'astral' intrusions and perhaps 'black magic', the more so as one ventures into supernormal states of consciousness. It is said that the Adept trains certain subhuman entities ('Elementals') to protect him. The Christian religion speaks of Guardian Angels in a related sense.
At this second stage we see the individual able to master natural energies which he enlists in his service, so he may pursue his individualized work of destiny in security. This is another aspect of the relationship of individual-to-society. Individuals of course do also seek to rob or injure other persons, but the state of affairs resulting from a society glorifying competition, ambition and success at any cost is largely responsible for individual violence. The more creative the person, the greater his or her NEED FOR PROTECTION. "
How very interesting. As the I.C. is the "HOW" in the mundane matters of one's transition, the transformation. from the personification of the Sabian Symbol given for the ascendant to that of the Sabian Symbolism for the descendant. Recall, if you will please, that is has a symbol of "THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW" and that the Sabian Symbols at times can be taken quite literally and, as I have found so far to this day, especially when they pertain to the natal charts of particularly notable souls that manifested here on earth that had a major impact upon the spiritual lives of so many people.
As George was sued and found guilty by a court of law for alleged plagiarism in composing the music that He had for his marvelous song and beautiful tribute to God and Gods' avatars, Sri Krishna and Sri Rama then as to being the "HOW" of the mundane affairs of the transformation He was making IT CERTAINLY DOES SEEM VERY APPROPRIATE.
I would like to add here, and there may be some among the members here that already know of this, certainly there has been over the years but the membership that is active does come and go over time...and sometimes returns as well.
When I met my friend, and fellow yogi, Suryakant, in August of 2003 I had just been "put through the wringer" ...so to speak... I had been the targeted victim of assault by a practitioner of black arts whom was rather an accomplished adept at it and whom also was the head of a local "coven", perhaps the term "warlock" might be the correct one to use. I won't get into the details of why I was attacked but let it suffice to say I was being as righteous, yet as respectful as was possible, given the nature of the contention between us.
It was a most unpleasant experience and not one for the weak of heart, either physically and more especially that of the spiritual heart, the Hridayam, I believe I spelled it appropriately in the context for its use here...Sanskrit is a bit tricky to master and I am far from becoming anything at all as like that of a master of the language... I had asked for advice about mantras for protection from a Sikh, I met during the ordeal, and He told me that the one he knew of is called the Hanuman Chalisa but that it is very lengthy and not so much as like so many of the mantras that originated from Vedic and Hindu philosophy, as it is not so very much repetitive, and thus He hadn't memorized it and advised me to seek it out rather than risk given me the wrong words. Mantras must be said exact and pronounced perfectly in order for them to be effective.
When I returned to the old hotel I had been renting a room some weeks later a new tenant, whom was also renting monthly, had just moved in a couple of weeks prior and on about the third occasion we had a chance to talk...as I hate to admit it , being that we were, and still are, long time practitioners of yoga, we both smoked tobacco which was not allowed in the rooms and only on the rear deck of the building.
Somehow we discovered that we were both mutually following a path of yoga, and He told me a bit of his life story. He had been one of the group of the very first Americans to be given training by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to teach Transcendental Meditation [rather appropriate an account here given that the subject of this thread is one of the Beatles, wouldn't you say?] and that was in 1964, I think it was, it may have been '65 however. In 1979 a most accomplished and most revered yogi from India Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas was in the Americas for a five year visit, He was 100 years old when on his return to India from the East Coast of the United States He stopped and gave a lecture here, in what was then, tiny "podunk" Orangevale at a local Christian Church that was of the unaffiliated type and Suryakant read about the upcoming event and attended. He was one of the very few that did...and I was here visiting my folks at the time as it was winter and I lived and worked in the high Sierra Nevada mountains and as I was a construction worker and that activity stops when the snow really gets to falling. I saw the announcement but I had grown weary of "guru chasing" as I had done so for some years and hadn't found one that invited me to be a disciple in all that time, and besides it rained like it rarely does but maybe once every 25 to 50 years here at the time of that winter and as my Volkswagen had gone kaput after I arrived I wasn't going to walk the five miles to that church to see yet another "guru" from India and one that I had never even heard of. ...and besides, as I remember thinking at the time, "He's so old how long do you think you'd be getting help from him before He kicks the bucket?" Little did I know. at that time, that his assistance was bestowed upon me and that it would reach across a time span of 34 years.
I asked Suryakant if he had ever heard of the Hanuman Chalisa and he replied that he not only had heard o it, that he has heard it recited many times and had a tape cassette of Dhyanyogi reciting it which He offered to lend me. I was thrilled to have achieved such a find and Suryakant also loaned me his book on Jap Yoga by Swami Sivananda that finally provided the answer as to why no guru had ever invited me to be their disciple as it was because I had my guru, and satguru, from the very beginning when I first achieved success in meditation. I am a sisya of the bij, the seed word, OM [or spelled AUM] and the Swami had written it is only the Word of God that is to be or ever should be my guru and satguru. As I was raised in Quaker beliefs and taught to "listen to the inner Voice as it is the Voice of god", what could possibly have been more appropriate. Suryakant, upon of learning my interest in astrology, gave me a copy of his birth chart and the interpretation of it done by an astrologer well studied in Rudhyarian technique and well studied with the Sabian Symbols as well.
In that analysis of Suryakant's natal chart was the authors conspicuous mention of His 8th House cusp, the House that deals with the "Darkness", it rites, rituals, among other things and made a special note of pointing out that the Sabian Symbol for that 8th House cusp was that of the Sign and degree found on that cusp, the 17th degree of Aquarius.
As Dane wrote in the interpretation for that Sabian Symbol of the 17th degree of Aquarius, above, " At a deeper occult level of interpretation it also reveals the need to protect oneself against 'astral' intrusions and perhaps 'black magic', the more so as one ventures into supernormal states of consciousness.", that was the day I learned that the Sabians for the House cusps [particularly the chart axis, late on] were undeniably applicable and I already knew them to be genuine I just hadn't been able to see it via my own chart axis up to that time not the few personal charts I was privy too also. I have, however, amassed quite a collection of personal charts since then.
So, if you will pardon my digression here...though I thought it to be appropriate as to add understanding and support the validity of the Sabian Symbols... we will now return to this matter pertaining to George Harrison?
Well, then, the birth time as given by George's mother does seem to be very appropriate... maybe undeniably so. Let's have a look at the Part of Fortune though as we still need more evidence to be convinced of anything as of yet... imho. the part of Fortune should give us another very weighty piece of evidence for or against the acceptance of this chart. Recall if you will, or be it known to those of you unfamiliar with my work in this field, that the Part of Fortune from the natal chart I contend and am convinced of is the legitimate chart [as near as to the exact time I can yet determine] of the man known as Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth is in the 19th degree of Pisces and that that Sign and degrees' Sabian Symbol is "THE MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE", thus it is evident that the Part of Fortune is not about a "Fortune" in a monetary sense... [and why would God concern Gods' self with such man made concepts? ] the Part is about what action, cultural tradition, mental process, what ever the Symbolism is found to be of, and that by activating it one achieves the most fortuitous circumstances as the outcome by which they can fulfill their destiny, make that successful transformation, fulfill their "dharma". most easily and swiftly and, most importantly, most thoroughly and to the best degree of perfection obtainable.
The Part of Fortune derived from this chart is at 28* Gemini 10' 21", that is to say the 29th degree of Gemini. That is of the five degrees that Dane labeled as "INDIVIDUAL/MENTAL" implying that it is a mental attitude or orientation that each individual must apply to themselves as an individual. there are but two other such types of Sabian Symbols in regards to this sub-division of the entire set and they repeat in succession every five degrees. The first five degrees are "ACTIONAL" and that is followed by five degrees of "EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL"
Dane further divided the 360 symbols in groups and labeled those groups accordingly as to how He perceived they are oriented to the entire set being a cycle of transformation . those of you interested in learning further about the groups and what they are labeled to represent will have to seek out his book on the Sabians and read it but there may be yet still those chapters from his book available to read online. I know that mindfire website had almost the entire book available to read online at one time and it may still be yet, but it is known to disappear and ten reappear without any notice that I know of...so if you do find it available online it might be a good idea to copy it while it is .
So, as I must apologize from digressing again, let me do so and lets see what the Sabian Symbol for the Part of Fortune is that this chart based on his mothers' notation of when the birth occurred provides us with. That of the 29th degree of Gemini [ibid.]
"GEMINI 29: THE FIRST MOCKINGBIRD OF SPRING.
KEYNOTE: The creative exuberance of the human soul in response to basic life experiences.
The mockingbird is able to imitate sounds he hears, but actually he does more than imitate, for he weaves all these sounds into melodies which at times can have joyous amplitude and instinctively creative spontaneity. The symbol refers to the capacity which the talented individual has to take collective material and to transform it under the urge of biological productivity and instinctual love. The song rises, powered by these great natural drives, very much as so-called popular songs rise from the youthful soul in response to deep personal or social emotions.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold sequence, what is presented to us symbolically is the reaction of the individual who has become sensitive to many life currents in his environment and who is able to exteriorize this welling-up response as a gift to his society, displaying VIRTUOSITY."
I surely don't need to add any commentary here... I think everyone should be able to understand for themselves just how "spot on" this is.
I wanted to do the same thorough analysis of the so called "rectified" chart today too...but the day is waning fast and I've uch to do to prepare for the arrival of my new room mate tomorrow and have to fix my supper as well.
I'm going to go ahead and post this anyways...as much as I have here now at this moment as i neve can tell if and whn I will be back to write on line and I would so hate to let this one just slip off into obscurity, never to be read, if I shouldn't happen to return.
I do certainly plan on returning though and analyze the other chart...meanwhile let the comments begin, have at the chart, have at one another as to those who agree or disagree with me, or anyone who comments that doesn't do either... "what ever floats ya boat".
Hare Krishna
Hare Rama
Hare Yeshu'a
Namaste
ptv
aka Devananda
It was late last evening and although I had other plans I wanted to check my emails at my yahoo address...as don't use it so much anymore...and as I have had that address for so long a time it does get collect a lot of mail in the inbox when I don't check it for many days at a time. If I neglect it for too long the sorting and deletion process becomes very time consuming and wearisome.
I rarely read any emails from Astrodienst but last night was an exception and I have no explanation why I chose to open their email to me, but I did.
I was immediately intrigued by an article they offered for reading, at their website,
It is titled "George Harrison: The Astrology of a Beatle" and is written by Jackie Taylor
The into to the article that appeared in the email begins with...
"An ardent Beatles fan examines the life and times of the 'Quiet One' and his two birth charts (one rectified – thanks to his interest in astrology). Among other things, can we tell from his appearance and behaviour which was his likely rising sign – Libra or Scorpio?"
I had to check it out, for one thing I sensed it to be a challenge and I can't often resist this kind of a challenge.
For those of you that wish to read the article, here's the link: https://www.astro.com/astrology/aa_article190502_e.htm
I have often written that the Sabian Symbols are the ultimate tool to utilize for chart rectification and thought this would be an excellent exercise.
Now, before I go on any further, I wish to make all aware that I've not given the two charts anything as near as to what I might call a complete analysis, in fact far from it, but as I have checked the Sabian Symbols for the chart axes and derived the Part of Fortune for each chart and thus acquired the Sabian Symbol for each, I thought that to be interesting enough, so far, to open a thread on the subject.
It certainly won't be as easy as I thought it might be. or hoped it to be, as I can see how some symbols from each of the two charts could be appropriate to the man, his life, and career.
One chart is from the data his own mother noted in her journal as to when she said George had been born and the other is what a professional astrologer told George his birth chart was after they had "rectified" it.
His mother had written that George was born on February 25, 1943 at 00:10 A.M., that is to say at ten minutes past mid-night.
The astrologer, He hired, claimed that February 24, at 23:42 is correct.
Here are the two charts in the same order.
As to the chart for the time his mother I'd like to begin with the Sabian Symbol for the chart Asc. As the late Dane Rudhyar had written , the Sabian Symbol for the natal Asc. is the "WHO" of that individuals existence and that the Desc. is symbolically the "WHERE-TO" although at times I find that the term "WHOM-TO" to be a more appropriate and less confusing term to use.
The Asc. of the chart for Feb. 25th, 1943, which is at 03* Scorpio 14' 06, i.e. the 4th degree of Scorpio, is as follows [From Dane Rudhyar's book about the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala"] If it is George's chart then this is symbolic of who he was.
"SCORPIO 4°: A YOUTH CARRIES A LIGHTED CANDLE IN A DEVOTIONAL RITUAL.
KEYNOTE: The educative power of ceremonies which impress the great images of a culture upon its gathered participants.
A community of human beings is ensouled by a few basic symbols which structure and illustrate the group's particular culture and way of life. Rituals and social ceremonies of all types (from a baseball game to a ticker-tape parade for returning heroes, or a religious service in an old cathedral) incorporate these symbols in traditional forms of activity. As they participate in these collective presentations of commonly accepted values and ideals, the minds and feelings of young people are formed by these symbols. They take the values for granted until the day when they choose to assert their individuality — or their participation in a generation's revolt — by scorning the traditional rituals, including as well business rituals. Then they may poignantly search for new ones to participate in!
This fourth stage symbol pictures for us the method by which a community of feelings is built during the formative years of childhood and adolescence. The zodiacal sign Scorpio is especially related to rituals including the sex rituals which unite the communicants at the roots of their beings. In these sex rituals too, THE POWER OF SYMBOLS is evident, above and beyond the mere biological act."
I don't know a great deal of personal information about George Harrison's private life and pale in comparison to others that know about his public life, but He was my favorite Beatle as a musician and admire him for finding his spiritual calling and honoring it both musically and his acts and deeds in support of the people and the faith of the Sanatan Dharm [Hinduism].
It does seem to be a somewhat fitting symbolism for His ascendant.
Now let's examine the Sabian Symbol for the Sign and degree of the Descendant, which would then be symbolic of His ""WHERE-TO" , OR "WHOM-TO" as I sometimes find to be more preferable, and see just how fitting that may be? It is, of course, that of the 4th degree of Taurus. [ibid.]
"TAURUS 4°: THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW.
KEYNOTE: Riches that come from linking the celestial and the earthly nature.
In Genesis, the rainbow is the symbol of the Covenant of God with Noah. In all mythologies it expresses, in one way or another, a linking process — or the bridge used by divine beings to communicate with mortals. What the linking process brings to the individual consciousness is elusive, as the rainbow never ends where you are, yet it is the source of symbolic, universally valid wealth. All wealth, in a very real sense, comes from 'commerce'; i.e. from the commingling of minds and from contracts, and thus is based on faith in the validity of a promise.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold process we are given a mode of
operation, which reminds us of the symbol for the second stage, 'an electrical storm'. Man need not be overawed by the celestial display of power, for it leads to a fruitful contact with beings of light. This is a natural kind of COMMUNION, involving a transubstantiation of matter."
Yes, that does seem to be most appropriate, now doesn't it? Quite literally too...!
Let's continue on and analyze the other two axis points, the Mid-Haven and the Nadir, although before jumping to any conclusions, however, shall we?
The M.C.'s Sabian Symbol for it's Sign and degree is symbolically the "HOW" of a natal chart when interpreted in the view of looking towards spiritual evolution, or spiritual progress if you prefer, yet it is also the "WHY" of the natal chart when interpreted in regards to the mundane.
The "HOW" and "WHY" of a natal chart are in reference to the transition, the transformation, indicated by the Sabian Symbolism given for the ascendant to that of the Sabian Symbolism given for the descendant.
The M.C. of this chart is at 16* Leo 04' 23", i.e. the 17th degree of Leo. [ibid.]
"LEO 17°: A VOLUNTEER CHURCH CHOIR SINGING RELIGIOUS HYMNS.
KEYNOTE: The feeling of togetherness which unites men and women in their dedication to a collective ideal.
Religion in its institutionalized aspect is the attempt to give a transcendental character to the feeling of community. The fellowship of common work needed for substance and security in a dangerous world is exalted in periodic rituals in which the co-workers participate. At such moments the consciousness and feelings of human beings flow into a common mold in which they become refreshed by the experience of shared values and beliefs.
This second stage symbol presents a contrast with that of the first only in that the collectively human aspect of experience is in contrast to the purely natural and fundamental character of instinctual life. The existence of a volunteer church choir implies a rather steady phase of culture and society. What is sung reflects the special way in which a particular community of human beings — extensive as it may be — interprets the deepest realities of human existence and man's longings for an ideal. The symbol expresses the idealized aspect of TOGETHERNESS."
HARE KRISHNA HARE RAMA, MY SWEET LORD...! How much more appropriate a Sabian Symbol could there be for the symbolism of George Harrison's mid-haven, THAT which is symbolically the "HOW" as to make a successful transition, the transformation, from that of a boy, or young man, carrying a candle in ritual devotion to that of a "Pot Of Gold" that will only manifest from successfully "linking the celestial and the earthly nature"?
But as affirmative as all the preceding Sabian Symbols have been so far, let us not be hasty as we still have the Sabian Symbol for the I.C. to examine...and since I took the liberty here in the matter regarding the M.C. and went with the spiritually oriented interpretation I'll continue along that same vein if no one objects? Those that do can just reverse the roles for themselves and their own satisfaction. I do agree with fellow member PhoenixVenus, however, that it is important to be aware of both interpretations and to make effort to utilize them in both manners.
So then, on to the last point of the chart axis, the I.C., the nadir, and let's have a look at the Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree o Aquarius, the "WHY" as to all of the above, [pun somewhat intended] and we will see if it is as fitting as all the previous when given consideration to the symbolism it contains in relation to the life of George Harrison.
The Sabian Symbol for the 17th degree of Aquarius is by Dane Rudhyar's analysis and interpretation [ibid.]
"AQUARIUS 17°: A WATCHDOG STANDS GUARD, PROTECTING HIS MASTER AND HIS POSSESSIONS.
KEYNOTE: The development of the capacity to protect one-self and to safeguard one's individual rights under complex social pressures.
What seems to be implied in this symbol, considering its position in the entire cycle, is that under present-day social conditions the individual person needs protection against the ever-growing encroachments of society upon his theoretically recognized right to lead a private life free from public interference. Seen in this light the symbol stands in contrast to the preceding one depicting the power of big business and the totalitarian implications of large-scale organization. At a deeper occult level of interpretation it also reveals the need to protect oneself against 'astral' intrusions and perhaps 'black magic', the more so as one ventures into supernormal states of consciousness. It is said that the Adept trains certain subhuman entities ('Elementals') to protect him. The Christian religion speaks of Guardian Angels in a related sense.
At this second stage we see the individual able to master natural energies which he enlists in his service, so he may pursue his individualized work of destiny in security. This is another aspect of the relationship of individual-to-society. Individuals of course do also seek to rob or injure other persons, but the state of affairs resulting from a society glorifying competition, ambition and success at any cost is largely responsible for individual violence. The more creative the person, the greater his or her NEED FOR PROTECTION. "
How very interesting. As the I.C. is the "HOW" in the mundane matters of one's transition, the transformation. from the personification of the Sabian Symbol given for the ascendant to that of the Sabian Symbolism for the descendant. Recall, if you will please, that is has a symbol of "THE POT OF GOLD AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW" and that the Sabian Symbols at times can be taken quite literally and, as I have found so far to this day, especially when they pertain to the natal charts of particularly notable souls that manifested here on earth that had a major impact upon the spiritual lives of so many people.
As George was sued and found guilty by a court of law for alleged plagiarism in composing the music that He had for his marvelous song and beautiful tribute to God and Gods' avatars, Sri Krishna and Sri Rama then as to being the "HOW" of the mundane affairs of the transformation He was making IT CERTAINLY DOES SEEM VERY APPROPRIATE.
I would like to add here, and there may be some among the members here that already know of this, certainly there has been over the years but the membership that is active does come and go over time...and sometimes returns as well.
When I met my friend, and fellow yogi, Suryakant, in August of 2003 I had just been "put through the wringer" ...so to speak... I had been the targeted victim of assault by a practitioner of black arts whom was rather an accomplished adept at it and whom also was the head of a local "coven", perhaps the term "warlock" might be the correct one to use. I won't get into the details of why I was attacked but let it suffice to say I was being as righteous, yet as respectful as was possible, given the nature of the contention between us.
It was a most unpleasant experience and not one for the weak of heart, either physically and more especially that of the spiritual heart, the Hridayam, I believe I spelled it appropriately in the context for its use here...Sanskrit is a bit tricky to master and I am far from becoming anything at all as like that of a master of the language... I had asked for advice about mantras for protection from a Sikh, I met during the ordeal, and He told me that the one he knew of is called the Hanuman Chalisa but that it is very lengthy and not so much as like so many of the mantras that originated from Vedic and Hindu philosophy, as it is not so very much repetitive, and thus He hadn't memorized it and advised me to seek it out rather than risk given me the wrong words. Mantras must be said exact and pronounced perfectly in order for them to be effective.
When I returned to the old hotel I had been renting a room some weeks later a new tenant, whom was also renting monthly, had just moved in a couple of weeks prior and on about the third occasion we had a chance to talk...as I hate to admit it , being that we were, and still are, long time practitioners of yoga, we both smoked tobacco which was not allowed in the rooms and only on the rear deck of the building.
Somehow we discovered that we were both mutually following a path of yoga, and He told me a bit of his life story. He had been one of the group of the very first Americans to be given training by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi to teach Transcendental Meditation [rather appropriate an account here given that the subject of this thread is one of the Beatles, wouldn't you say?] and that was in 1964, I think it was, it may have been '65 however. In 1979 a most accomplished and most revered yogi from India Dhyanyogi Madhusudandas was in the Americas for a five year visit, He was 100 years old when on his return to India from the East Coast of the United States He stopped and gave a lecture here, in what was then, tiny "podunk" Orangevale at a local Christian Church that was of the unaffiliated type and Suryakant read about the upcoming event and attended. He was one of the very few that did...and I was here visiting my folks at the time as it was winter and I lived and worked in the high Sierra Nevada mountains and as I was a construction worker and that activity stops when the snow really gets to falling. I saw the announcement but I had grown weary of "guru chasing" as I had done so for some years and hadn't found one that invited me to be a disciple in all that time, and besides it rained like it rarely does but maybe once every 25 to 50 years here at the time of that winter and as my Volkswagen had gone kaput after I arrived I wasn't going to walk the five miles to that church to see yet another "guru" from India and one that I had never even heard of. ...and besides, as I remember thinking at the time, "He's so old how long do you think you'd be getting help from him before He kicks the bucket?" Little did I know. at that time, that his assistance was bestowed upon me and that it would reach across a time span of 34 years.
I asked Suryakant if he had ever heard of the Hanuman Chalisa and he replied that he not only had heard o it, that he has heard it recited many times and had a tape cassette of Dhyanyogi reciting it which He offered to lend me. I was thrilled to have achieved such a find and Suryakant also loaned me his book on Jap Yoga by Swami Sivananda that finally provided the answer as to why no guru had ever invited me to be their disciple as it was because I had my guru, and satguru, from the very beginning when I first achieved success in meditation. I am a sisya of the bij, the seed word, OM [or spelled AUM] and the Swami had written it is only the Word of God that is to be or ever should be my guru and satguru. As I was raised in Quaker beliefs and taught to "listen to the inner Voice as it is the Voice of god", what could possibly have been more appropriate. Suryakant, upon of learning my interest in astrology, gave me a copy of his birth chart and the interpretation of it done by an astrologer well studied in Rudhyarian technique and well studied with the Sabian Symbols as well.
In that analysis of Suryakant's natal chart was the authors conspicuous mention of His 8th House cusp, the House that deals with the "Darkness", it rites, rituals, among other things and made a special note of pointing out that the Sabian Symbol for that 8th House cusp was that of the Sign and degree found on that cusp, the 17th degree of Aquarius.
As Dane wrote in the interpretation for that Sabian Symbol of the 17th degree of Aquarius, above, " At a deeper occult level of interpretation it also reveals the need to protect oneself against 'astral' intrusions and perhaps 'black magic', the more so as one ventures into supernormal states of consciousness.", that was the day I learned that the Sabians for the House cusps [particularly the chart axis, late on] were undeniably applicable and I already knew them to be genuine I just hadn't been able to see it via my own chart axis up to that time not the few personal charts I was privy too also. I have, however, amassed quite a collection of personal charts since then.
So, if you will pardon my digression here...though I thought it to be appropriate as to add understanding and support the validity of the Sabian Symbols... we will now return to this matter pertaining to George Harrison?
Well, then, the birth time as given by George's mother does seem to be very appropriate... maybe undeniably so. Let's have a look at the Part of Fortune though as we still need more evidence to be convinced of anything as of yet... imho. the part of Fortune should give us another very weighty piece of evidence for or against the acceptance of this chart. Recall if you will, or be it known to those of you unfamiliar with my work in this field, that the Part of Fortune from the natal chart I contend and am convinced of is the legitimate chart [as near as to the exact time I can yet determine] of the man known as Jesus/Yeshu'a of Nazareth is in the 19th degree of Pisces and that that Sign and degrees' Sabian Symbol is "THE MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE", thus it is evident that the Part of Fortune is not about a "Fortune" in a monetary sense... [and why would God concern Gods' self with such man made concepts? ] the Part is about what action, cultural tradition, mental process, what ever the Symbolism is found to be of, and that by activating it one achieves the most fortuitous circumstances as the outcome by which they can fulfill their destiny, make that successful transformation, fulfill their "dharma". most easily and swiftly and, most importantly, most thoroughly and to the best degree of perfection obtainable.
The Part of Fortune derived from this chart is at 28* Gemini 10' 21", that is to say the 29th degree of Gemini. That is of the five degrees that Dane labeled as "INDIVIDUAL/MENTAL" implying that it is a mental attitude or orientation that each individual must apply to themselves as an individual. there are but two other such types of Sabian Symbols in regards to this sub-division of the entire set and they repeat in succession every five degrees. The first five degrees are "ACTIONAL" and that is followed by five degrees of "EMOTIONAL/CULTURAL"
Dane further divided the 360 symbols in groups and labeled those groups accordingly as to how He perceived they are oriented to the entire set being a cycle of transformation . those of you interested in learning further about the groups and what they are labeled to represent will have to seek out his book on the Sabians and read it but there may be yet still those chapters from his book available to read online. I know that mindfire website had almost the entire book available to read online at one time and it may still be yet, but it is known to disappear and ten reappear without any notice that I know of...so if you do find it available online it might be a good idea to copy it while it is .
So, as I must apologize from digressing again, let me do so and lets see what the Sabian Symbol for the Part of Fortune is that this chart based on his mothers' notation of when the birth occurred provides us with. That of the 29th degree of Gemini [ibid.]
"GEMINI 29: THE FIRST MOCKINGBIRD OF SPRING.
KEYNOTE: The creative exuberance of the human soul in response to basic life experiences.
The mockingbird is able to imitate sounds he hears, but actually he does more than imitate, for he weaves all these sounds into melodies which at times can have joyous amplitude and instinctively creative spontaneity. The symbol refers to the capacity which the talented individual has to take collective material and to transform it under the urge of biological productivity and instinctual love. The song rises, powered by these great natural drives, very much as so-called popular songs rise from the youthful soul in response to deep personal or social emotions.
At this fourth stage of the five-fold sequence, what is presented to us symbolically is the reaction of the individual who has become sensitive to many life currents in his environment and who is able to exteriorize this welling-up response as a gift to his society, displaying VIRTUOSITY."
I surely don't need to add any commentary here... I think everyone should be able to understand for themselves just how "spot on" this is.
I wanted to do the same thorough analysis of the so called "rectified" chart today too...but the day is waning fast and I've uch to do to prepare for the arrival of my new room mate tomorrow and have to fix my supper as well.
I'm going to go ahead and post this anyways...as much as I have here now at this moment as i neve can tell if and whn I will be back to write on line and I would so hate to let this one just slip off into obscurity, never to be read, if I shouldn't happen to return.
I do certainly plan on returning though and analyze the other chart...meanwhile let the comments begin, have at the chart, have at one another as to those who agree or disagree with me, or anyone who comments that doesn't do either... "what ever floats ya boat".
Hare Krishna
Hare Rama
Hare Yeshu'a
Namaste
ptv
aka Devananda
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