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yes...well i was speaking from pain and some knwledge about it but this whole situtaion is like muddy waters for me i truly do not know who even cares anymore -the bloggers? the videomakers? sometimes i think they make stuff about gulf to promote themselves and even that part is the neptune influence

for the sake for animals trapped and hurt people and fishermen ho love the sea as much as i d but in a different way- i want it to stp

as for astrology am very good with natal charts - looked at obamas and what i saw -this event i don't read that well -i don't read events well yet...

what really upsets me is the amount of info about it on the net teh videos blogs and is all abut self prmotion i think
 
yo must own BP stocks zemco,the exxon valdez spill is still not "cleaned up".the oil persist in the sand a few inches below the surface.

rahu

I'm a disabled veteran. I don't have any stocks or bonds. I have a valid license, but I don't have a car (I sold it in 2007) and having been licensed to drive for 32 years, I have only owned one new automobile, and for 17 of those 32 years I never owned an automobile.

I see what you're saying, but the cruise ships don't plow their way across the ocean floor, so nobody sees the persistent oil there. As far as the government is concerned, "Cleanup" means everyone can go hang out at the beach.
 
Hello-what a great thread. And it's interesting to see how it has evolved in the month since its inception-as the disaster continues to unfold. There are many, many thoughtful posts.

I see there are two charts posted, one at the beginning by MTTy for 9:45 with 0 sat asc and another by Bob, 9:42 with 18 scorp asc. Do I read the chart correctly, Bob, that it is set for EDT? My understanding is that the location is CDT. I think EDT starts in Alabama; could be wrong.

I did a chart for 9:33 am, as I watched a hearing with US Navy and Coast Guard of the captain and others on the ship on CSPAN, not too long after the event. They seemed to agree on "right after 9:30" for a time, so I guessed 9:33. This gives a 28 Scorpio asc. 7 virgo mc. I felt more comfortable about a late scorp asc as on June 23, when the cap of the BOP blew off or was nudged off by an rov-whichever you think-the whole scene seemed to get more drastic. I actually was watching live streaming then, and an orange cloud started coming out of the vents. This is sharp contrast to the grey/black plumes. Suggestions on a forum I was following thought this might be some form of sulphur and/or other nasties. The moon was 28 scorp, so I thought that rather fitting for an escalation of some sort. And mars just past the MC. More oil has spilled since then, as they cannot seem to get the cap on correctly.

What concerns me are the long-term cosequences, as it does many of you. Some of the suggested scenarios are down right ominous: the fracture in the sea floor could eventually cause a tsunami, second the oil could eventually reach Ireland, Europe and worst of all; a volcanic eruption in the Gulf that sets off the fault line leading to the New Madrid seizmic zone in TN, AK, IN, MO etc, where a series of horrific earthquakes in 1811-1812 destroyed much of the area and changed the course of the Mssissippi River. These earthquakes were felt all across the eastern half of the US, and from Canada to Mexico-by far the largest area affected in any US quake. There is a lot of info on New Madrid-google it. Several books, too.

I did a bit of checking on the NM quakes and did find some connections. Most interesting: the last and most damaging quake was 2.7.1812, mag 8 pt or so: T pluto is now conj that sat in 12th house, conj 8 cap asc.I don't know what to make of it, but noticed the prog moon of that quake is now conj its natal and prog pluto. Progressed for aug 9, 2010: a "super moon" (what does that mean?) that looks like another shift of some type for the spill chart. Pluto will be on the 2 cap MC, sq ur and jup on the 3 aries asc, square mars and saturn on the dsc. New moon 17 leo are sesiquadrate (SP?) ur and jup as well as pluto, and semi square the IC and semi square mars saturn Almost all planets involved in this configuration except merc in virgo and nep and chiron late aquar. It seems to me with so many powerful planets on angles the scene may shift dramatically. What do others think? What do you think of a late scorpio asc for the oil spill chart? I'm not nearly as adept as others with interpretations.

I can post these charts, if anyone wants.
 
I see there are two charts posted, one at the beginning by MTTy for 9:45 with 0 sat asc and another by Bob, 9:42 with 18 scorp asc. Do I read the chart correctly, Bob, that it is set for EDT? My understanding is that the location is CDT. I think EDT starts in Alabama; could be wrong.

The coordinates are for the actual Deep Horizon platform. The time zone is for morons like me who don't check. 88° is Chicago or west and that's definitely CDT, not EDT.

The time (9:42) is the time I found when the accident was reported.

This is a different chart, which will require some time, but just glancing, notice how Jupiter continuing to transit comes into conjunction with Uranus, expanding the disaster and making it worse, and now as Jupiter moves away from Uranus, it is abating somewhat.
 

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Bob,

OK, we agree on the time zone!

But I surely don't understand how you can say the disaster is abating? If the oil is coming out in a greater volume, now, with the cap askew, and BP states there's no hope of capturing more oil until the relief wells are complete in August-with no guarantee that they will hit the oil supply, I don't see this as an abatement.

As to the other scenarios I mentioned, they are being supported by lots of folks, including NOA, I believe,-not just wack-job bloggers, etc. For example, it is a known fact that the Loop goes up the Atlantic coast. It seems reasonable to me that if the oil continues to gush, it will eventually end up there.

Am I misunderstanding you here?
 
so bp is driling reief wells in august what happens if that does not work? so far they made ony mistakes this is beyond scary and not blogger scary this is real
 
huge skimmers arrived but is not capping the well...

so many say is dangerous-might be a tsunami wionder if anyone sees any major disaster in august in the chart cause is when tehy will drill another hole -what happens then? these people don't really know what they are doing it seems
 
Sagtaurscor,

I haven't checked on the capping process, need to do that.

What I read in relation to a tsunami was concern that cold sea water could impact on the fractured sea floor and in areas where oil has vacated; thus causing a sudden drop or shift in the sea floor. I have no idea if this is a valid concern. Jack Reed, an engineer, I guess, from that area has said this is a possibility. He's also the person who warned about a connection with the New Madrid seizmic zone. Others talk about it on blogs, some claiming they are engineers, etc, but I don't know.

As to astrological activity in August, I did notice the new moon 17 leo august 9. A super moon; don't know what that means. I used Lake Charles for the location; don't have the ability to set the lat and long; but it is pretty much straight north of DWH, I think. Pluto is on the 2 cap MC, squar ur and nep on 3 aries asc, squ sat,venus and mars on the dsc. New moon is also sesquiquadrate ur, nep and pluto MC, semi-squa
2 cancer IC and aries stell, dsc. So that doesn't look too good. Yet we know some very ominous aspects can be present and nothing really happens.

Let's hope Bob is correct about the timing of capping and that those relief wells are right on target.
 
Sagtaurscor,

... What I read in relation to a tsunami was concern that cold sea water could impact on the fractured sea floor and in areas where oil has vacated; thus causing a sudden drop or shift in the sea floor. I have no idea if this is a valid concern. Jack Reed, an engineer, I guess, from that area has said this is a possibility. He's also the person who warned about a connection with the New Madrid seizmic zone. Others talk about it on blogs, some claiming they are engineers, etc, but I don't know...

I have been looking for this type of information - thanks for this.

I had similar feeling, so I checked data about various spills in sea. There are comparable leakage in past to make me comfortable.

But still I have some concerns about quake or tsunami.
 
I'm so glad for so much response on this event.
Many charts have been posted on your responses....will someone please point to the one which is the actual time and place of the initial explosion?
I'd like to puruse it.
The murk and sloth surrounding reaction and response have been exceptionally painful for me and many. I wonder if there is a time of illumination or awakening, so to speak, and a time where all the varied energies will come together so that the efforts will actually have the desired effect? Sun (illumination and activity), Jupiter (scale), Saturn (responsible activity), Venus (compassion and creativity), Mercury (communications), Uranus (brilliance of insight), Pluto (deep abiding change), Neptune (fluids), Moon (emotions)....
 
During March and early April, several platform workers and supervisors expressed concerns with well control.


At approximately 9:45 p.m. on April 20, 2010,


methane gas from the well, under high pressure, shot all the way up and out of the drill column, expanded onto the platform, and then ignited and exploded.
 
Kuntuzangmo, did you erect a chart? I've seen two sets of coordinates: 88w23 28n44 and also 88w38 29n73. I use Pascagoula MS as it is straight north of the explosion; cannot set up a chart with my own coordinates. I used a slightly earlier time, 9:33 pm, as I heard that time in testimony on the explosion from the crew. I get a late scorp asc.

There is an interesting thread on abovetopsecret website: minute by minute commentary of what is being shown on live feeds and some screen shots. Do a search under " uptotheminute " and you'll see a list of the thread. Keep clicking on the last page listed; they are up to 50 pages this afternoon. Part of the top hat is on, they are just fastening it down. So the plot thickens-will too much pressure build up when the mechanisms are finally all in place? On about page 47, I think, there is a link to a video BP made, an animation explaining what they are trying to do. Very interesting!

Also, I finally found the article by the petroleum engineer who was talking about the sea floor and New Madrid earthquake zone, Jack Reed. Website is aapg.org/explorer/2006/05 May/gom_earthquake.cfm.

Eclipse today, 3 degrees from the explosion moon, so let's hope all goes well! Actually, there are many aspects to the explosion chart. Let's hope those engineers know what they are doing.
 
At approximately 9:45 p.m. on April 20, 2010,


methane gas from the well, under high pressure, shot all the way up and out of the drill column, expanded onto the platform, and then ignited and exploded.

I think this exemplifies the pathetic state of the education system in the US.

Rust is fire. Rust is iron oxide create through the oxidation process. Fire is just rapid oxidation. If rust occurred in a matter of seconds or minutes instead of months or years, you would detect heat and might even see a green flame, and if metal rusted in a few milliseconds, it would explode.

An explosion is very rapid oxidation. However, the oxidation process requires Oxygen (O2). In your drill column, there's no seawater; only oil and gases, like methane. When the methane leaves the drill column and expands and mixes with air, which contains oxygen, you'll get an explosion if there is an ignition source.

Soluble methane in seawater is not the same thing as methane in air. Sure, seawater, which is H2O and a variety of salts has soluble O2, N2, CO, CO2 and other gases, like methane, but the amount of soluble O2 is negligible and there is no possible way it could result in very rapid oxidation (an explosion).

People make a lot of money preying on fears and ignorance.

Here’s my analysis of the CORRECT Deep Horizon Chart after I received a tip that the time zone on the original chart was wrong.

There’s a thread floating around asking how astrology works. To answer that, I’ll start by referring to thread about the missing boy in Oregon. In that Event Chart, the Ascendant was 0° Leo. I said the 5th House rules children, Leo (the natural ruler of the 5th House) rules children and that the Sun (the ruler of Leo) rules children.

Here we have 1° Sagittarius rising. The 9th House in Mundane Astrology rules commercial entities, international commerce, commercial shipping and transportation. Sagittarius, the natural ruler of the 9th House, rules ships and commerce. Jupiter the ruler of Sagittarius rules authorities, influential people, foreigners, shipping, large scale commerce, foreign influence and overseas travel.

Is the oil spill in the Gulf related to anything in the foregoing? Yes, everything.

For those who want to know how Astrology works, I just showed you. There is nothing inconsistent in the interpretation of the Ascendant in the two charts.

With an early Ascendant, this is the beginning of an Event, not something that is on-going or near completion.

Jupiter as the Ascendant Ruler is posited in the 4th House which governs anything of a public interest, any resources that comes from the ground to be used commercially (that includes ores, minerals coal and oil) and generally anything underground or hidden.

Jupiter is in a separating dexter trine with the Moon in Cancer in the 8th ruling the 8th House. The Moon in the 8th in Mundane Charts is often a significator of panic, disaster or death. The South Node is also here meaning the same thing. The Moon rules all liquids and anything of a common nature or public interest. The Moon’s trine with Jupiter was perfected at 8:29 PM CDT. Since the Moon is often the trigger/timer of events, I would suggest that the series of mishaps that directly led to the explosion began at that time.

The only other aspect Jupiter makes is a separating dexter sextile with Venus in the 6th and ruling the 6th and 11th Houses. Venus receives Jupiter by exaltation, and Jupiter is in the term of Mars. Translation: over-confidence or over-ambitious (Venus rules the 11th House of Ambition/Goals and Jupiter is expansive and forcefully so being in the term of Mars).

The Sun in the chart is peregrine. Peregrine planets either wander about with no clear direction, sometimes unintentionally causing mischief, or they are malicious. The Sun significates authorities, CEOs, company presidents, heads-of-state and officer directors. The Sun rules Leo in the 9th House. We can rule out heads-of-state, so the Sun significates the CEO and directors of BP, and international commercial entity that is also foreign being headquartered in Britain.

The Sun is in a separating dexter sextile with Neptune in the 3rd House, which represents all forms of communication, including documents, forms of transportation, rumors, gossip and the like.

We know they falsified documents and inspection reports (3rd House) filed with the Minerals Management Service (11th House). I'm not sure I would have seen that before the explosion, but it is certainly evident in the event chart.

Those who are looking for tsunamis, you need Neptune in the 4th House, and that ain't happening.

Those looking for the Big Bang, that would be Mars square Uranus, and that'll happen round the first week of December except it's mutable fire/mutable water and Mercury is conjunct Pluto, so that's most likely when they will finally get it capped. If not then, you'll have to wait until February 2011 when Mars and Mercury conjunct Neptune.

The terminus would be something involving the houses of endings: 4th ruled by Jupiter, 8th ruled by Mercury and 12th ruled by Mars.

Another possibility is last week of September when Mercury opposes Jupiter. Pluto also goes stationary (which I'm sure will absolutely thrill BP).
 

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I think this exemplifies the pathetic state of the education system in the US.

Those who are looking for tsunamis, you need Neptune in the 4th House, and that ain't happening.

Those looking for the Big Bang, that would be Mars square Uranus, and that'll happen round the first week of December except it's mutable fire/mutable water and Mercury is conjunct Pluto, so that's most likely when they will finally get it capped. If not then, you'll have to wait until February 2011 when Mars and Mercury conjunct Neptune.

The terminus would be something involving the houses of endings: 4th ruled by Jupiter, 8th ruled by Mercury and 12th ruled by Mars.

Another possibility is last week of September when Mercury opposes Jupiter. Pluto also goes stationary (which I'm sure will absolutely thrill BP).


bob -what you wrote all of it is awesome! thank you for this...so okay my intuotion told me there is not going to be tsunami! it annoys me anytime i read about it for some reason when people 'predict' florida underater etc...is so annoying

what do you mean by Big Bang? you mena the end of spill?you mean december 2010?? is that how long it is going to be? the sea will die!!
 
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