Hillary R. Clinton.

[muchacho]

It appears the certificate is public now with a rating AA for her Gemini rising birth time

Yes. Tim posted the link. But birth certificates are issued days, weeks and sometimes months after birth. So there is a lot of room for errors and typos to creep in, especially when you have to deal with copies only where there's an issue of authenticity. Obama's birth certificate comes to mind here. So you can't really trust this. I had to learn this the hard way. And you also can't trust popular rectification times, like Starkman. He tends to be way off.

So the best way I know to verify a time of birth is by physical appearance. But that only gives you an approximate time, usually within half an hour of the actual time. For most natal chart reading purposes that is good enough. But for those who do predictions with complicated calculations or divisional charts, that is not enough. However, if you have the correct rising sign only and ideally the correct decan, that's still better than having to monkey around with times of birth that are based experimental rectification techniques.

In any case, don't get star struck by famous astrologers' opinions or quotes from ancient sources. If you like a theory, method or approach, test it thoroughly and only then settle for it. There's a lot of nonsense in astrology books handed down, even traditional ones, a lot of astrologers books contain mistakes. So you can really only trust your own data or the data of someone who's been fully transparent about it.

 

[AlterAntiscia]

So the best way I know to verify a time of birth is by physical appearance….

That is not the best way then, that is to the best of your own ability to judge by physical appearance.. but who’s to say that you are the most accurate judge of matching correct ascendant sign to the individual’s appearance?

The descriptions you stated previously are quite general, even vague (like long fingers for Gemini risings, etc.)

There are much better ways to rectify than that.

 

[sentR89day]

In the video posted on the previous page, they said that Hillary Clinton, herself, said that she thought she was a Leo rising! But we can be wrong about our own rising sign and/or birth time too so there's that!

 

[muchacho]

That is not the best way then, that is to the best of your own ability to judge by physical appearance.. but who’s to say that you are the most accurate judge of matching correct ascendant sign to the individual’s appearance?

The descriptions you stated previously are quite general, even vague (like long fingers for Gemini risings, etc.)

There are much better ways to rectify than that.

Yes, that's the best way for me right now as it fits my purpose. For other astrologers and other purposes, your mileage may vary.

I only gave you handful of characteristics. It's a rather long list, and it's a list still in the making. I may put it all in a book one day.

And if you've got a better, more reliable and more accurate way to rectify HRC's chart, let me know.

 

[Melaike]

Based on my research, Gemini rising has long fingers, narrow shoulders, a long thin neck, a hexagonal head and small sparkly eyes. Taurus rising would have short fingers, broad shoulders, a short neck, a square shaped face and very big calm eyes. Scorpio rising would have also short fingers, broad shoulders and additionally broad hips, a normal length neck, an oval shaped face and lively eyes. So I think we can rule out Gemini. Which leaves Taurus or Scorpio.

The problem with Taurus though is that the Taurus rising chart is not the chart of a high profile person. The Scorpio rising chart, however, is.

It's hard for me to detect Taurus rising people because they have varying looks.But I came across people with Taurus Sun/Moon/Venus, looking like the way you described.
Judging by her looks alone I tend to think Hillary Clinton's Rising sign is an extrovert sign.She looks confident, happy, clever and also she's the only blonde in her family.
Taurus Rising, Uranus in the first house, Scorpio rising Jupiter in the first house ; those planets will also affect her looks.

 

[muchacho]

It's hard for me to detect Taurus rising people because they have varying looks.But I came across people with Taurus Sun/Moon/Venus, looking like the way you described.
Judging by her looks alone I tend to think Hillary Clinton's Rising sign is an extrovert sign.She looks confident, happy, clever and also she's the only blonde in her family.
Taurus Rising, Uranus in the first house, Scorpio rising Jupiter in the first house ; those planets will also affect her looks.

Yes, clothing and hair styles can be very deceiving. It's also difficult to tell if people are underweight or overweight. If they are overweight, their features tend to soften and you're more likely getting more earth or water signs false positives. If they are underweight, their features tend to harden and you're getting more fire and air sign false positives.

I know it's a popular theory, but what my research couldn't confirm was planets in the rising sign or close to the ASC having any influence on appearance. They do have a strong influence on demeanor though.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Yes. Tim posted the link. But birth certificates are issued days, weeks and sometimes months after birth. So there is a lot of room for errors and typos to creep in, especially when you have to deal with copies only where there's an issue of authenticity. Obama's birth certificate comes to mind here. So you can't really trust this. I had to learn this the hard way. And you also can't trust popular rectification times, like Starkman. He tends to be way off.

So the best way I know to verify a time of birth is by physical appearance. But that only gives you an approximate time, usually within half an hour of the actual time. For most natal chart reading purposes that is good enough. But for those who do predictions with complicated calculations or divisional charts, that is not enough. However, if you have the correct rising sign only and ideally the correct decan, that's still better than having to monkey around with times of birth that are based experimental rectification techniques.

In any case, don't get star struck by famous astrologers' opinions or quotes from ancient sources. If you like a theory, method or approach, test it thoroughly and only then settle for it. There's a lot of nonsense in astrology books handed down, even traditional ones, a lot of astrologers books contain mistakes. So you can really only trust your own data or the data of someone who's been fully transparent about it.

That is not the best way then, that is to the best of your own ability to judge by physical appearance.. but who’s to say that you are the most accurate judge of matching correct ascendant sign to the individual’s appearance?

The descriptions you stated previously are quite general, even vague (like long fingers for Gemini risings, etc.)
There are much better ways to rectify than that.

Indeed

Yes, that's the best way for me right now as it fits my purpose. For other astrologers and other purposes, your mileage may vary.
I only gave you handful of characteristics. It's a rather long list, and it's a list still in the making. I may put it all in a book one day.
And if you've got a better, more reliable and more accurate way to rectify HRC's chart, let me know.

thanks to petosiris
for the following example rectification using THRASYLLUS method
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894943&postcount=343

Another example, with the newly elected Mexican President - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lopez_Obrador,_Andres_Manuel

According to the AA source, the birth occurred at 2:00, quite unlikely, like most rounded off births. Let's use Thrasyllus' method again.

1) We determine the ascensional degrees from the Sun to the Moon. We mark 81 as the solar gnomon.
2) We determine the ascensional degrees from the degree opposite the Sun - this is 23.
3) We multiply 23 by 12 and again by the hour of the nativity, with the fractions. Since the birth occurred at the beginning of the ninth hour - 23 x 12 x 8 - 360 x 6 = 48 which is less than the solar gnomon.
4) We add 7 minutes to the time of birth and with 23 x 12 x 8.12 - 360 x 6 = 81 and we get the ''real'' Ascendant.

Jupiter is Lord of the Year and in the place of Good Daimon with Fortune. The Lightbringer also profects to its exaltation. Note that he was not elected with the same profections 12 years ago. Since the Ruler of the Peak was in the place of the Bad Daimon in the 2005 solar revolution, in this Revolution she is with Jupiter to the degree making a phase.

Since the rising time of Libra is 32.5, doubled it makes the stellium operative. And since the rising time of Gemini is 33 and of Virgo is 31.25, it makes the Jupiter square Mars productive of rank, politics and authority (as are the rising times of Virgo and Capricorn for that partile trine). And since half of the rising time of Gemini is 16.5 and 4 times the years of Jupiter = 64.5, it makes it even more operative.

And since the year is multiple of 5, which is the special interval point of Venus (inferior trine), it makes the profection of Jupiter and Fortune even stronger than the last one, and according to Valens ''The configurations of the stars and their aspects with each other (especially the aspects with the Lot of Fortune) are effective in the chronocratorships which are in harmony. (The whole is seen and arises from the aspects of the Lot of Fortune and from its ruler'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

Petosiris rectification example, with Mexican President - https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lopez_Obrador,_Andres_Manuel

According to the AA source, the birth occurred at 2:00, quite unlikely, like most rounded off births.
Let's use Thrasyllus' method.

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1) We determine the ascensional degrees from the Sun to the Moon. We mark 81 as the solar gnomon.
2) We determine the ascensional degrees from the degree opposite the Sun - this is 23.
3) We multiply 23 by 12 and again by the hour of the nativity, with the fractions. Since the birth occurred at the beginning of the ninth hour - 23 x 12 x 8 - 360 x 6 = 48 which is less than the solar gnomon.
4) We add 7 minutes to the time of birth and with 23 x 12 x 8.12 - 360 x 6 = 81 and we get the ''real'' Ascendant.

Jupiter is Lord of the Year and in the place of Good Daimon with Fortune. The Lightbringer also profects to its exaltation. Note that he was not elected with the same profections 12 years ago. Since the Ruler of the Peak was in the place of the Bad Daimon in the 2005 solar revolution, in this Revolution she is with Jupiter to the degree making a phase.

Since the rising time of Libra is 32.5, doubled it makes the stellium operative. And since the rising time of Gemini is 33 and of Virgo is 31.25, it makes the Jupiter square Mars productive of rank, politics and authority (as are the rising times of Virgo and Capricorn for that partile trine). And since half of the rising time of Gemini is 16.5 and 4 times the years of Jupiter = 64.5, it makes it even more operative.

And since the year is multiple of 5, which is the special interval point of Venus (inferior trine), it makes the profection of Jupiter and Fortune even stronger than the last one, and according to Valens ''The configurations of the stars and their aspects with each other (especially the aspects with the Lot of Fortune) are effective in the chronocratorships which are in harmony. (The whole is seen and arises from the aspects of the Lot of Fortune and from its ruler'' - https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf

 

[sentR89day]

It's hard for me to detect Taurus rising people because they have varying looks.But I came across people with Taurus Sun/Moon/Venus, looking like the way you described.
Judging by her looks alone I tend to think Hillary Clinton's Rising sign is an extrovert sign.She looks confident, happy, clever and also she's the only blonde in her family.
Taurus Rising, Uranus in the first house, Scorpio rising Jupiter in the first house ; those planets will also affect her looks.

Camila Cabello is Taurus rising! She looks very earthy and sensual!
As for Hillary Clinton I can definitely see the Gemini rising! But her Leo stellium makes her look like a Leo, even facial wise!

 

[Antiks72]

WHOLE SIGNS

APPEARANCE GESTURES

She has fixed star Aldebaron rising, of the nature of Mars. Her Saturn/Mars conjunction squaring other planets says it all.

 

[JUPITERASC]

It appears the certificate is public now with a rating AA for her Gemini rising birth time

Hillary Clinton Gets Served By Congressman Before Trump Arraignment ​

- She Is On The Hot Seat​

TRANSIT SATURN SQUARE NATAL ASCENDANT

Biden turning the files over willingly is a poor argument.
It does not negate the fact that Biden had no right to have them in his possession in the first place
nor that he had no right to take them home with him.

Imagine if a bank robber, returns the money he stole, tells the Feds:
"..I'm sorry. It was all a big mistake. Here's the money back.."
It wouldn't matter that the robber gave the money back
it may work in his favor during sentencing
but he still going to get charged for robbing the bank


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[JUPITERASC]

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American campaign finance laws are notoriously porous,
but there remain certain rules in place that cannot be broken without running afoul of the law.

The Hillary Clinton campaign in 2016 appears to have clearly violated these rules
in particular using state Democratic parties to accept large donations which were then turned over to the DNC,
which was run by Clinton operatives.

Jimmy recalls covering these illegal transactions when they were happening
and wonders why Clinton and her team have remained free from prosecution.

TRANSIT SATURN SQUARE NATAL ASCENDANT

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[Scorpio888]

For those keeping score, Hillary Clinton is not a Double Scorpio. Her birthtime is often transposed from PM to AM -- which makes sense, because even though Scorpio Rising can sometimes be quite evil (a majority of the most monstrous dictators in human history have been Scorpio Rising) for whatever reason, Scorpio Rising and Moon in Pisces are relatively harmless when paired together (think Grace Kelly, who was a Double Scorpio/Moon in Pisces).

That PM birthtime for Hillary puts her on the edge of Gemini Rising and Cancer Rising -- both of which can be problematic when paired with Moon in Pisces... Gemini Rising/Moon in Pisces can be downright schizo, while my vote for Hillary Clinton is Cancer Rising (that overbite screams Cancer Rising). Plus, I used to know a Cancer Rising/Moon in Pisces, and she looks just like Hillary; other similarities as well.

(I correctly guessed Bill Clinton's Libra Rising -- and quite easily -- in 1992 before I had his birthtime).

I confess I once voted for Hillary, but I could never see doing that again. A Cancer Rising with the secret codes is a scary concept -- most spree shooters are Cancer Rising. So... oopsy!

Anyway, it can be easy to dismiss the Seth Rich murder as a rightwing conspiracy theory ..... until you check into it even superficially. It's shady as eff... although others had more motives to take him out that the Clintons.