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My intention was to ask people who use horary to explain this particular kind of astrology, not defend it.Oh, fun, another "Defend your astrology to me" thread.
I posted here because this is where people who understand horary can be found, and that's who can answer these questions I have. The instructions at the top say this is the place to post general questions about horary astrology that do not include charts. I'm sorry if you found it offensive. Where else should I have posted?I'm going to assume honest intentions that you didn't realize how rudely it could be taken that you chose the Horary Technique sub-fourm to ask horary astrologers to prove that their methods or practice are valid
Which is exactly why I knew nothing about horary.Right, and if I remember you said when you joined that you had only been studying for about 6 months using Steven Forrest's The Inner Sky as your main source? I'm not being sarcastic, rather when you choose for teachers those who don't acknowledge that astrology existed before the 20th century it isn't surprising that you would not have been exposed to horary...or to profections, or Time Lords, or Almutens, or reception...
That's a very good question, and I think that yes, modern astrology can sometimes lead to self-fulfilling prophecies, depending on how people use it. Someone using modern astrology could take, say, certain aspects to the moon or fourth house placements in their child's chart to mean the child will have a difficult relationship with the mother, and if they really go overboard with that idea, it could become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I'd say that's a half-baked perspective on modern astrology, and I like to believe that parents who freak out about their children's astrology charts have the sense not to take it to the level of self-fulfilling prophecy, but theoretically, someone might.It does not. Horary is all about prediction. Then again, all of astrology is about prediction, whether you are casting an interrogation, selecting a time for an event, reading a natal chart (with or without transits) or solar return, or looking at an Aries ingress chart. The whole point is to figure out what is going to happen. Even the modern, evolutionary "everything is based on your free will" astrologers are actually making predictions. They predict that this aspect means ease or difficulty in this area of your life, or your node (or whatever) in this sign and house means your karmic destiny is to learn "x" in this lifetime. Do those "predictions" become self-fullfilling prophecies? Because I for one would love to be lazy and indecisive...there's a prophecy I'd love to self-fulfill...
Or, suppose you heard that because you're a Libra, you're supposed to be lazy and indecisive (I'm guessing that's the "prophecy" you're referring to) and took that as an excuse when you felt like being lazy and indecisive. That really doesn't fit with evolutionary astrology, or other modern or traditional astrology either, but people dipping a toe in the astrology waters have certainly been known to do that sort of thing.
Anyhow, as multiple people have already pointed out, most of the posts on these boards are abuses of horary astrology. People going for the half-baked version, or not even that--try almost raw.
No, actually, I'd been running these questions through my head for a long time and thinking about posting a thread like this for several weeks, just didn't get around to it til now. That response of yours was fresh in my mind, so it was one of the examples I used, but that's not why I posted this thread.Is that what this is all about? Because I told a querent that she would get a job, but that she would end up hating it?
That's not the kind of situation I had in mind when I used the relationship example. I was thinking of an insecure person in a relationship with a perfectly nice other person who comes to the horary board and posts a chart asking if the relationship will last. If they get a no answer, that revs up their insecurity, they think, "My partner's just going to leave me anyway," and that shows up in how they treat their partner--leading to the end of the relationship.What if your sister, or daughter, became romantically involved with, and married an abuser? Do you suppose there is anything she could do to change the way she acts to make the relationship work? To not get hit, or killed? "If I just shut my mouth, tried harder, maybe he wouldn't do it?" That's the problem with people who think that the entire world can be made better for themselves, or controlled by their actions alone. They forget about all the other people out there, being who they are and exercising their own "free will."
For someone in an abusive relationship, the question should be entirely different. In that case, the only way they can change the quality of the relationship is to flee. Which can be a very risky thing to do, considering that if the partner is violent, leaving brings the greatest risk of being killed. A better question would probably be something like how they can escape and survive.
If horary astrology can do that, it's great. Based on the posts on this board, I honestly had no idea it could do that.The point of horary astrology is to avoid situations or circumstances that could potentially harm us, or to find a way around obsticales that are blocking us. To "change the future" if you will. If I knew that you were on a certain flight, and I knew that the plane was going to crash, wouldn't you want me to tell you?
I don't think self-fulfilling prophecy works that way. Casting a chart that says a plane will crash doesn't make the plane crash, because the person you're casting the chart for (me, in this hypothetical example) doesn't have the power to make a plane crash just by believing it will. If that were true, many planes would have crashed many times over thanks to nervous fliers! However, I potentially could make my boyfriend break up with me if I believe he will, by treating him accordingly (assuming, again, that this is a reasonably sane relationship, not an abusive one!). And I potentially could prevent myself from getting a job that I might have gotten otherwise, by believing it's a lost cause and blowing off the interview.And if you didn't get on the plane, and it crashed, would you challenge that somehow I made the crash manifest in reality for casting the chart, or would you just be damned happy you didn't get on the plane?
I know tarot. I don't know horary astrology, except what I've seen on here. At the time of that apartment search, I didn't even know astrology except for newspaper horoscopes, which I didn't believe. Knowing what I know now about horary, just from this one thread, I probably would be comfortable asking a horary astrologer that kind of question.So you are saying that you are comfortable with turning to Tarot, but not to an astrologer who likely could have told you from the get-go that the landlord was a crook?
I meant valid for me. I didn't mean to say it's not valid for you. I thought I had clarified that I didn't think you guys were wrong for using it. In fact, that you--and I mean you personally, tsmall, as well as several of the other respondents here--do use horary astrology was what made me start thinking there might be something to it after all. I'd seen you say things that I really respected, so thought if you're using horary, maybe it's not just bunk after all. I did wonder about the potential for self-fulfilling prophecy, though, which was why I asked.Just to be clear, you are challenging/questioning members who practice a specific branch of astrology, in their sub-forum, to justify themselves to you so YOU can decide that it is valid?
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