Horary methods discussion: your comments and questions.

[aqualovebot]

Some time ago you basically told me to go back to school, now here you seem to imply that I should take your statement as 'surprising' and of a worth to reflect on. When I speak plainly to that attitude, I would say get your arrogant behind of of the hightower and start doing some astrology instead of taking up a teaching role where that is not necessary.

Nailu if you are going to call me arrogant at least read the board you are on - this is a discussion on Horary techniques. Perhaps this may clear some of the clouds you confuse as a high tower. If you want to see me do astrology you can - as a matter fact its on the board below this where you can see some of the predications that I made that came true - I would be happy to link you to some! Referring to me telling you to go back to school - which I never did - I asked where was your sources as your thinking was not one that I have read in any book - you was not able to give me even one. . Not a single citation, not even a sentence that backs up your thinking from any book, media, project - nothing. If you’re going to make bold statements about my arrogance at least they come from teachings and can be backed up. Would I be wrong to expect the same from you?

As for homofobic, yes I do see where you're coming from, but do you realize it is you who is making this into homofobia and two other people are pointing towards roles and gender in a (any) relationship. I'll speak for myself, this is my initial statement:"
On the question of relationships I can't help you, I use Venus solely as the natural ruler of Love (if Venus is not a significators of quesitor or question) not for a woman in love, it doesn't work for me.
Another question could be if it's at all too logic to use so much specifications when not knowing the specifics of a relationship; as the assignments of roles played in a relationship doesn't always add up to the actual gender."

There is no, not any, value added to roles nor gender; no good or bad is mentioned nor intended. You are the one seemingly pulling this into the overpopulair discussion, or whatever that mess is, around freedom to be (and be with)who you are in every way around. I'm pro liberation and emancipation, dead against the way that is politicized and thrown around in endless powerplays instead of being addressed in respect and acceptance (back and forth) that someone else understands things their own way, write things down in their own 'columns of understanding'. It's not for anyone else to approach that with disrespect. Neither is it respectful to take one or two remarks and pull that whole, totally polarized, worldwide gender- discussion as a blanket over those remarks without any further investigation on your part.

Besides the respect I have for everyone's own choices it's mere fact that there are roles and gender in every relation, every situation and we do need a form to poor that into words, so people are enabled to talk at all about these things. If I get the idea here that Iris understands me, that's enough for me here.

If you wish to fill that in with values that's yours not mine. Maybe someone reading this gets something out of your remarks, I don't and find them too much, way to soon.
As for capitals and tone, yes it is important, to yet another portion of the human race, we tend to be very sensitive and picking up on the heaps of stress and other things intended or not directly intended in these forms of outing.
The idea was to reflect on your apparent involvement in the matter you brought along.

Let’s set the record straight: in your very first sentence, you acknowledged a point I made. So, it’s quite ironic that you then turn around and label me as arrogant. That’s not just a weak argument; it’s outright disrespectful, especially considering I haven’t resorted to name-calling or personal attacks in this discussion.

Your insistence that "there are roles and gender in every relationship" and that we must force those into a tidy framework is not just reductive—it’s inherently homophobic. My assertion that we can't use the Sun and Venus in same-sex relationships because it reinforces harmful stereotypes wasn’t an attack; it was a critical response to the very question at hand. Yet, rather than engaging with that substance, you’ve allowed yourself to get defensive over it, even though, surprise surprise, you seem to agree with my critique at its core.

By asserting these roles as universal, you risk invalidating the lived experiences of those in LGBTQ+ relationships, where traditional gender roles simply don’t apply. This fixation on categorizing relationships according to outdated norms completely ignores the complexity and fluidity of human connections. It perpetuates the damaging notion that love must fit into predefined boxes—boxes that many people, especially in same-sex relationships, find not only confining but utterly irrelevant. Asking a client, “So who buys who flowers?” is not just naive; it’s fundamentally wrong and disrespectful.

If you’re relying on these outdated roles as a foundation for your discussions, you’re effectively saying that LGBTQ+ relationships are somehow less valid unless they conform to your narrow understanding of love. That’s not just narrow-minded; it’s deeply disrespectful to those who live their truths outside those rigid definitions. Love exists in countless forms, and it deserves recognition and validation without being coerced into antiquated constructs.

I understand that you feel a sense of camaraderie with Iris, but understanding must be rooted in respect for all experiences, not just those that fit neatly into a specific narrative. Engaging with the complexities of relationships means we need to move past simplistic frameworks. It’s about recognizing that love, in all its myriad forms, should be validated on its own terms, free from the constraints of outdated expectations. Ironically, you opened by agreeing with the very point you now seem to dismiss. It’s a curious contradiction that undermines your argument.

Let’s make one thing crystal clear: this is an online forum dedicated to horary techniques, not a daycare for fragile feelings. If my remarks are too challenging for you, that’s not my problem to manage - log off. Discussions like this are inherently complex, but that’s part of what makes them meaningful. My points are grounded in research and sources, which you seem unwilling or unable to provide.

I’m not here to coddle anyone’s feelings. If you’re finding the points I’ve raised overwhelming, maybe it’s time for you to reflect on them rather than dismiss them as too much. This forum exists for exploration and growth in our understanding of astrology, not for tiptoeing around uncomfortable truths or for merely catering to Nailu's beliefs.

So, if you’re looking for a space where everyone agrees and no one challenges your perspective, you need to reconsider your expectations. This is a forum for genuine dialogue, and that means facing uncomfortable ideas head-on, no matter how unsettling they may be.

 

[aqualovebot]

One thing that strikes me about reading love/dating sorts of charts, is how often the female querent is symbolized by Mars, and the quesited male is symbolized by Venus. Here I might take it more to suggest who's the pursuer and who's the attractor. Though again, Mars-ruled Scorpio is a traditionally feminine sign, and Venus-ruled Libra is a traditionally male sign...

Commenting on the last part and can go deeper into what I was talking about with @IleneK. I think there's an interesting dynamic when Lord 1 and Lord 7 are either Mars or Venus. They are unique in that they find comfort in triplicity by each other exaltation—Mars in Pisces and Venus in Capricorn (Day chart only), which gives them dignity.

Additionally, they have interesting relationships with the Moon in any horary but especially L1/L7 questions Any planet in Scorpio is in the detriment of the Moon, while any planet in Capricorn is in the Moon's fall but has triplicity with Venus (Day chart only)I've found through my own horary readings that this pattern shows up often with same-sex couples, particularly when one partner is closeted. There's this desire for connection, but an underlying fear of being "outed." Just some thoughts that have come up for me based on your comments.

 

[Nailu]

Nailu if you are going to call me arrogant at least read the board you are on - this is a discussion on Horary techniques. Perhaps this may clear some of the clouds you confuse as a high tower. If you want to see me do astrology you can - as a matter fact its on the board below this where you can see some of the predications that I made that came true - I would be happy to link you to some! Referring to me telling you to go back to school - which I never did - I asked where was your sources as your thinking was not one that I have read in any book - you was not able to give me even one. . Not a single citation, not even a sentence that backs up your thinking from any book, media, project - nothing. If you’re going to make bold statements about my arrogance at least they come from teachings and can be backed up. Would I be wrong to expect the same from you?

Let’s set the record straight: in your very first sentence, you acknowledged a point I made. So, it’s quite ironic that you then turn around and label me as arrogant. That’s not just a weak argument; it’s outright disrespectful, especially considering I haven’t resorted to name-calling or personal attacks in this discussion.

Your insistence that "there are roles and gender in every relationship" and that we must force those into a tidy framework is not just reductive—it’s inherently homophobic. My assertion that we can't use the Sun and Venus in same-sex relationships because it reinforces harmful stereotypes wasn’t an attack; it was a critical response to the very question at hand. Yet, rather than engaging with that substance, you’ve allowed yourself to get defensive over it, even though, surprise surprise, you seem to agree with my critique at its core.

By asserting these roles as universal, you risk invalidating the lived experiences of those in LGBTQ+ relationships, where traditional gender roles simply don’t apply. This fixation on categorizing relationships according to outdated norms completely ignores the complexity and fluidity of human connections. It perpetuates the damaging notion that love must fit into predefined boxes—boxes that many people, especially in same-sex relationships, find not only confining but utterly irrelevant. Asking a client, “So who buys who flowers?” is not just naive; it’s fundamentally wrong and disrespectful.

If you’re relying on these outdated roles as a foundation for your discussions, you’re effectively saying that LGBTQ+ relationships are somehow less valid unless they conform to your narrow understanding of love. That’s not just narrow-minded; it’s deeply disrespectful to those who live their truths outside those rigid definitions. Love exists in countless forms, and it deserves recognition and validation without being coerced into antiquated constructs.

I understand that you feel a sense of camaraderie with Iris, but understanding must be rooted in respect for all experiences, not just those that fit neatly into a specific narrative. Engaging with the complexities of relationships means we need to move past simplistic frameworks. It’s about recognizing that love, in all its myriad forms, should be validated on its own terms, free from the constraints of outdated expectations. Ironically, you opened by agreeing with the very point you now seem to dismiss. It’s a curious contradiction that undermines your argument.

Let’s make one thing crystal clear: this is an online forum dedicated to horary techniques, not a daycare for fragile feelings. If my remarks are too challenging for you, that’s not my problem to manage - log off. Discussions like this are inherently complex, but that’s part of what makes them meaningful. My points are grounded in research and sources, which you seem unwilling or unable to provide.

I’m not here to coddle anyone’s feelings. If you’re finding the points I’ve raised overwhelming, maybe it’s time for you to reflect on them rather than dismiss them as too much. This forum exists for exploration and growth in our understanding of astrology, not for tiptoeing around uncomfortable truths or for merely catering to Nailu's beliefs.

So, if you’re looking for a space where everyone agrees and no one challenges your perspective, you need to reconsider your expectations. This is a forum for genuine dialogue, and that means facing uncomfortable ideas head-on, no matter how unsettling they may be.

You asked me to speak plainly, you got it.

Back in that thread I gave you actually 2 or three books, so that's downright untrue on your part. Look for remarks I made on Anthony Louis.

And there you go again. I said gender and roles, you add ' tidy framework' and then I am homofobic. I know what that is....
And for a second role around in your own wordings you come up with Sun and Venus. You pulled that in, whilst I had already made my point clear and now you turn it around.
I still know what that is....the word starts with gas.

Then two whole alineas, can I say 'woke' or is that damaging. Anyhow, it is you who brings it to the table, you bloody well ambush this thread with things never said nor intended. You come in not with a subtle question but a full on assault. I'll have none of it. If and where maybe less clear in my wording then; here and now it'll be clear: both woke and unwoke are not my sides, not my arguments. Freedom and respect is enough for this world and none of those two sides are dealing in that, not in form nor in basic principle so I am out and have been for a long time. Have fun, see you all who feel resonant with that discussion, when you're done fighting.

You are neither too complex or hurting my feelings, you may be somewhat belittling so you simply either did not understand my point or choose to do so, now you're more and more talking to yourself trying to involve me, putting words in my mouth.

So if you are looking for a space where you don't get answered after asking for clarity or where you can have your fill of attention for your personal agenda without being seen straight through, stay in bed.

Facing uncomfortable ideas? You mean the whole genderthing here I am guessing, maybe you should first ask where I stand before assuming anything at all. You are the one bringing all of this up. It's not really to the point nor really astrological....
It is however, time-consuming and showing how you, by way of nifty projection and language are trying to put someone, me in this case, in a corner where I can only but laugh and wish you'll someday have the patience to see truth.

So now I'm saying you're something too but not saying it in one word, maybe that's clear . And it's not name-calling it's just a mirror. It is not your place to dump these projections and false meaning to two words that triggered you into this.
If someone understands what I say and relates then through words like feminine and masculine roles, I can happily see that in forms of energy shaping and shifting (in) every possible moment. If your head then adds something else, great, that's you however.

I really do understand the good intention on your part. I subscribe to freedom and equality as said before and that's in good part aligned with moving away from settled, old fashioned ideas from time to time, when it's time. I won't however be called homofobic without making a point of it that I am absolutely not that and the thought makes me truly laugh. Just an honest laugh no more no less.

So once more I'll ask you to take it back, in the knowledge that I heard you, understand your point and know that it is invalid through my own intentions. You read more into this then there is from my part, I'm quite sure.

 

[waybread]

Folks, this is much too interesting a discussion to derail it with negative personal comments.

A focus on the bigger astrology issues might be helpful.

 

[aqualovebot]

You asked me to speak plainly, you got it.

Back in that thread I gave you actually 2 or three books, so that's downright untrue on your part. Look for remarks I made on Anthony Louis.

And there you go again. I said gender and roles, you add ' tidy framework' and then I am homofobic. I know what that is....
And for a second role around in your own wordings you come up with Sun and Venus. You pulled that in, whilst I had already made my point clear and now you turn it around.
I still know what that is....the word starts with gas.

Then two whole alineas, can I say 'woke' or is that damaging. Anyhow, it is you who brings it to the table, you bloody well ambush this thread with things never said nor intended. You come in not with a subtle question but a full on assault. I'll have none of it. If and where maybe less clear in my wording then; here and now it'll be clear: both woke and unwoke are not my sides, not my arguments. Freedom and respect is enough for this world and none of those two sides are dealing in that, not in form nor in basic principle so I am out and have been for a long time. Have fun, see you all who feel resonant with that discussion, when you're done fighting.

You are neither too complex or hurting my feelings, you may be somewhat belittling so you simply either did not understand my point or choose to do so, now you're more and more talking to yourself trying to involve me, putting words in my mouth.

So if you are looking for a space where you don't get answered after asking for clarity or where you can have your fill of attention for your personal agenda without being seen straight through, stay in bed.

Facing uncomfortable ideas? You mean the whole genderthing here I am guessing, maybe you should first ask where I stand before assuming anything at all. You are the one bringing all of this up. It's not really to the point nor really astrological....
It is however, time-consuming and showing how you, by way of nifty projection and language are trying to put someone, me in this case, in a corner where I can only but laugh and wish you'll someday have the patience to see truth.

So now I'm saying you're something too but not saying it in one word, maybe that's clear . And it's not name-calling it's just a mirror. It is not your place to dump these projections and false meaning to two words that triggered you into this.
If someone understands what I say and relates then through words like feminine and masculine roles, I can happily see that in forms of energy shaping and shifting (in) every possible moment. If your head then adds something else, great, that's you however.

I really do understand the good intention on your part. I subscribe to freedom and equality as said before and that's in good part aligned with moving away from settled, old fashioned ideas from time to time, when it's time. I won't however be called homofobic without making a point of it that I am absolutely not that and the thought makes me truly laugh. Just an honest laugh no more no less.

So once more I'll ask you to take it back, in the knowledge that I heard you, understand your point and know that it is invalid through my own intentions. You read more into this then there is from my part, I'm quite sure.

It's amusing that you think calling me an "ass" somehow strengthens your position. If anything, it reveals your desperation to divert attention from your lack of substance. Instead of engaging with the actual points being made, you resort to childish name-calling. How quaint. Would I be foolish to ask you to pick up a book now? Or do you lack the knowledge of reading comprehension also?

Because in all of your last "text" that you claimed - we can run through it together actually. You qouted John Frawley - but you did not read him because if you did you would have read the section where he says "if the question concerns a man/man or woman/woman relationship, the Sun and Venus cannot be used in this way because we have no reason for assigning them to one person rather than the other.” Would you like the page number? Or is that too hard to read?

That’s not just a suggestion—it’s a foundational principle in astrology that you seem intent on ignoring in favor of your own outdated biases. Your unwillingness to acknowledge this undermines your credibility entirely.

Which you seem to do a lot actually - you then qoute,Karen M. Hamaker-Zondag who studied under Liz Greene, and if I remember correctly all I asked for was a qoute, a source hell even a page number - and yet there was nothing. Anywho Your tendency to resort to name-calling, like labeling me an "ass," is nothing short of pathetic. It’s a transparent attempt to distract from the glaring inadequacies in your arguments. If that’s the best you can do when confronted with solid evidence and sound reasoning, it speaks volumes about your ability to engage in mature discourse.


And please do not get me started on Anthony Louis - who directly in the next sentence proved your claim wrong!

You also claimed I was putting words in your mouth, but let’s clarify that I’m simply reflecting your own rhetoric back at you. You said, “You come in not with a subtle question but a full-on assault.” Funny how that’s exactly what you’re doing right now, attacking me instead of addressing the core issues at hand. s. Your attempt to label me as “homophobic” is nothing short of absurd, considering that I’m challenging the simplistic narratives you cling to. Especially since I would love and this is a challenge if you can read it - give me a source.

Let’s not pretend that your claims hold any weight when they’re not grounded in established astrological principles. My insights are rooted in well-regarded texts and teachings—not in subjective experience or wishful thinking. Your insistence on clinging to outdated gender roles is not only simplistic but also a disservice to the complex nature of human relationships. It’s the very definition of intellectual laziness to rely on stereotypes that have been debunked by both contemporary astrologers and the lived experiences of those in the LGBTQ+ community.

Your repeated invocation of "roles" as some universal truth is not just a reductive perspective; it’s actively harmful. You’re not just missing the mark; you’re shooting in the dark while claiming to have a clearer view. If you had any respect for the diversity of human experience, you’d recognize that love and relationships defy the boxes you so desperately want to fit them into.

So, if you want to engage in this dialogue, come prepared with actual references and a willingness to engage with perspectives that challenge your own. Otherwise, spare us the insults and false bravado. This forum is for genuine exploration, not for your ego to take center stage while spouting uninformed drivel. If you can’t handle constructive criticism, perhaps it’s time for you to reevaluate your participation here.

 

[waybread]

Folks, from here on out, personal attacks will result in those posts being deleted. It's great to exchange contrary ideas about astrology, and to feel strongly about them, but personal attacks have to go.

 

[Blister]

My thoughts are this, as an horary iconoclast when it comes to traditonal vs modern....

The stars in the sky never change until they burn out. The luminaries live forever, as we know. How many old ancient fixed stars burned out thousands of years before the ptolmics and chaldeans noticed? Maybe the modern planets are offspring of the ancient ones that history never documented? I mean, why not?

The moon darkens the night sky to light the planets nearest us to them up or makes it confusing where we are to see them in the daylight, so we need to walk a mile in someones shoes across the universe to understand it?

The moon- tells history. The sun tells history. The planets around them could live or day in a civilization over time.

I've been on the long end of ****** attacks on this site from many members - some who portrayed themselves as allies and some who portrayed themselves as neutral enemies. I have a Sun ruled 7th and Moon ruled 12th.

The moon never lies and the sun never darkens, but the clouds and diffusers both lie and darken.

If that moon isn't in the house of the questioni by quesited, I already know that the agenda is skewed. Show me your Moon and Show me your Sun lol.
Everyone else is just a player on the stage of tin an tang yin and yang.

And it seems, that the moderators of this site tend toward who pisses them off most rather than to reflect their own light or darkness. Moon Mars Saturn people?

Also - Mercury is the queen ****** transgender planet that will expose everyone regardless of position or strength or weakness.

Pissing contests of ideology in horary does NOTHING for the querant. Do they not respond because they are confused and say "scrw that noise' or do they pander for the ones who confirm their hopes and wishes that will never come true?

Moon and Sun decides. All the rest are players telling the story.

I love that Waybread became interested in horary about 7 years ago or so? ? I think it was because the moon and sun shed light on Neptune as a modern horary facilitator. I love that she is keeping her own OP posts going with warnings while she subtly deletes others with vague explanations of rules and decorum and subtle insults and posturing of Now, I'm an Expert in sucking info off others in horary and if I don't like what they say, I'll threaten to chokehold them. Let's keep her busy! xoxo Waybread, this is your time to shine. This is not an attack. It is an astrological battle of Mars Sun and Saturn in either genre. God Bless and let the games begin. How many ways can you say - let me learn from you but if you don't like what me or others have to say - by all means, threaten exclusion. I might just think to offer up a similar post on this site and provide a counter offer of How to Tell The Answer Truthfully in Horary? All about Sun and Moon and the players hooked into them at the moment. Please don't take this as an attack. Is there kind way to say that 'your way is not the only highway'?

 

[Blister]

My thoughts are this, as an horary iconoclast when it comes to traditonal vs modern....

The stars in the sky never change until they burn out. The luminaries live forever, as we know. How many old ancient fixed stars burned out thousands of years before the ptolmics and chaldeans noticed? Maybe the modern planets are offspring of the ancient ones that history never documented? I mean, why not?

The moon darkens the night sky to light the planets nearest us to them up or makes it confusing where we are to see them in the daylight, so we need to walk a mile in someones shoes across the universe to understand it?

The moon- tells history. The sun tells history. The planets around them could live or day in a civilization over time.

I've been on the long end of ****** attacks on this site from many members - some who portrayed themselves as allies and some who portrayed themselves as neutral enemies. I have a Sun ruled 7th and Moon ruled 12th.

The moon never lies and the sun never darkens, but the clouds and diffusers both lie and darken.

If that moon isn't in the house of the questioni by quesited, I already know that the agenda is skewed. Show me your Moon and Show me your Sun lol.
Everyone else is just a player on the stage of tin an tang yin and yang.

And it seems, that the moderators of this site tend toward who pisses them off most rather than to reflect their own light or darkness. Moon Mars Saturn people?

Also - Mercury is the queen ****** transgender planet that will expose everyone regardless of position or strength or weakness.

Pissing contests of ideology in horary does NOTHING for the querant. Do they not respond because they are confused and say "scrw that noise' or do they pander for the ones who confirm their hopes and wishes that will never come true?

Moon and Sun decides. All the rest are players telling the story.

I love that Waybread became interested in horary about 7 years ago or so? ? I think it was because the moon and sun shed light on Neptune as a modern horary facilitator. I love that she is keeping her own OP posts going with warnings while she subtly deletes others with vague explanations of rules and decorum and subtle insults and posturing of Now, I'm an Expert in sucking info off others in horary and if I don't like what they say, I'll threaten to chokehold them. Let's keep her busy! xoxo Waybread, this is your time to shine. This is not an attack. It is an astrological battle of Mars Sun and Saturn in either genre. God Bless and let the games begin. How many ways can you say - let me learn from you but if you don't like what me or others have to say - by all means, threaten exclusion. I might just think to offer up a similar post on this site and provide a counter offer of How to Tell The Answer Truthfully in Horary? All about Sun and Moon and the players hooked into them at the moment. Please don't take this as an attack. Is there kind way to say that 'your way is not the only highway'?

Now, lets get back to outcomes in horary and may all the different techniques show up in the epilogue. ThaNKS FOR listening, reading and considering. No Horary Bullies ought be allowed. Not Ever Never Ever. If you don't like what someone else offers, prove them wrong, not insignificant. If they prove themselves right, then give them regards. The outcome is the goal, not the process. All the best men and women win, this way.

 

[aqualovebot]

My thoughts are this, as an horary iconoclast when it comes to traditonal vs modern....

The stars in the sky never change until they burn out. The luminaries live forever, as we know. How many old ancient fixed stars burned out thousands of years before the ptolmics and chaldeans noticed? Maybe the modern planets are offspring of the ancient ones that history never documented? I mean, why not?

The moon darkens the night sky to light the planets nearest us to them up or makes it confusing where we are to see them in the daylight, so we need to walk a mile in someones shoes across the universe to understand it?

The moon- tells history. The sun tells history. The planets around them could live or day in a civilization over time.

I've been on the long end of ****** attacks on this site from many members - some who portrayed themselves as allies and some who portrayed themselves as neutral enemies. I have a Sun ruled 7th and Moon ruled 12th.

The moon never lies and the sun never darkens, but the clouds and diffusers both lie and darken.

If that moon isn't in the house of the questioni by quesited, I already know that the agenda is skewed. Show me your Moon and Show me your Sun lol.
Everyone else is just a player on the stage of tin an tang yin and yang.

And it seems, that the moderators of this site tend toward who pisses them off most rather than to reflect their own light or darkness. Moon Mars Saturn people?

Also - Mercury is the queen ****** transgender planet that will expose everyone regardless of position or strength or weakness.

Pissing contests of ideology in horary does NOTHING for the querant. Do they not respond because they are confused and say "scrw that noise' or do they pander for the ones who confirm their hopes and wishes that will never come true?

Moon and Sun decides. All the rest are players telling the story.

I am not entirely in agreement—leaving out the last paragraph as I do not wish for another "argument" or heated discussion nor any ideology on horary bullies. I see where you’re coming from, but I have to disagree on a couple of points. While the Moon's placement is important, I’ve noticed plenty of charts where it’s not in the 7th house but still shows strong reception with the Sun or Venus. Someone may deeply want a partner even if the Moon isn’t perfectly positioned to show clear love - I may not love the guy I am dating but if he treats me well and has all the man qualities I want [Exalt the Sun] I can be content enough. Note that this is only for straight relationship. Everyone can have different motives for being with someone.

Also, I think the Sun only really takes center stage if it’s either L1/L7 or in a hetero context related to marriage. If it doesn’t fit, I tend to disregard it.

As for Mercury, I wouldn’t say it has the same exposing power as the Sun or Venus, as it doesn't rule either men or women like they do—instead, it rules children and adolescents. It can be a player in the story if it’s a needed point, like a side character, but only then with adequate reception; otherwise, I tend to disregard it.

 

[Blister]

I am not entirely in agreement—leaving out the last paragraph as I do not wish for another "argument" or heated discussion nor any ideology on horary bullies. I see where you’re coming from, but I have to disagree on a couple of points. While the Moon's placement is important, I’ve noticed plenty of charts where it’s not in the 7th house but still shows strong reception with the Sun or Venus. Someone may deeply want a partner even if the Moon isn’t perfectly positioned to show clear love - I may not love the guy I am dating but if he treats me well and has all the man qualities I want [Exalt the Sun] I can be content enough. Note that this is only for straight relationship. Everyone can have different motives for being with someone.

Also, I think the Sun only really takes center stage if it’s either L1/L7 or in a hetero context related to marriage. If it doesn’t fit, I tend to disregard it.

As for Mercury, I wouldn’t say it has the same exposing power as the Sun or Venus, as it doesn't rule either men or women like they do—instead, it rules children and adolescents. It can be a player in the story if it’s a needed point, like a side character, but only then with adequate reception; otherwise, I tend to disregard it.

You make good point about reception. I haven't been able to assign reception often to charts where moon is not placed in house or ruling house of the question. Is it possible, hear me out - the trads will jump on this - Is it possible that RECEPTION is the answer to a question asked in un-authenticity? I know it was drummed into my horary brain that the question cannot be a whim - it must be a burning question - one that someone has been brewing and stewing on for more than a minute. Something that has been pestering them or building up over time with no resolve.

Yes or No answers by reception? What a tangled web we weave when the question is to deceive?

What is the wrench in the works that requires 'reception' for a yes or now answer?

Is it a reframed question with a different intent?

Honest question.

Will I marry this man? I love him so much and we are going nowhere....

Moon in the 2nd of querant and Moon rules 8th of the quesited and both are null to another but by reception of Mars in 7th house and Mars rules 12th of quesited.

Yes answer: give up the snatch or keep dreaming
No answer: contentious agreements

Am I totally out of bounds on this thought?

 

[Blister]

I am not entirely in agreement—leaving out the last paragraph as I do not wish for another "argument" or heated discussion nor any ideology on horary bullies. I see where you’re coming from, but I have to disagree on a couple of points. While the Moon's placement is important, I’ve noticed plenty of charts where it’s not in the 7th house but still shows strong reception with the Sun or Venus. Someone may deeply want a partner even if the Moon isn’t perfectly positioned to show clear love - I may not love the guy I am dating but if he treats me well and has all the man qualities I want [Exalt the Sun] I can be content enough. Note that this is only for straight relationship. Everyone can have different motives for being with someone.

Also, I think the Sun only really takes center stage if it’s either L1/L7 or in a hetero context related to marriage. If it doesn’t fit, I tend to disregard it.

As for Mercury, I wouldn’t say it has the same exposing power as the Sun or Venus, as it doesn't rule either men or women like they do—instead, it rules children and adolescents. It can be a player in the story if it’s a needed point, like a side character, but only then with adequate reception; otherwise, I tend to disregard it.

I am totally over heated discussions and arguments about someone elses opinions. I listen to all of it these days and if I have a say, I'll say it - I notice what I know and see and find that others have a problem with it. Example about a member who was talking a bunch of crap (my free speech) about my 'profile' (my free speech) and who i might be, am or have been on this forum before. Guilty before proven innocent. Censor her! In way farer minds, that is as good as a goodbye in censorship. Who deleted my post for no astrological content a couple weeks back - where I am certain I said something like ..... I have mars in cancer and went on a pontification ramt of patriotism, paciffism and pathology? Deleted in 2 minutes for having no astro content and no standard deviation of adjustments. [* snipped comment about mods]

I absolutely love and hate a member who posts a bunch of space and brain filling memes quotes requotes videos etc - anything - TO anything posted on this site. I should feel happy to call him/her an arse or a hero, without someone else with tiny antennae coming around to tell me how I need to phrase a post or thought. I prefer a member being able to say "you are full of shittyshite to me" than 'post deleted for expressing their thoughts."

The last thing I look for on this site are the astrologers who tell a girl asking does she have a fat @ss, "No" but in fact the girl does and the the astrologers, on other pages tell girls like her - "your @ss too fat".

A forum, like in greece? Who were the greek astrologers and how did they treat free speech?

 

[Blister]

I am totally over heated discussions and arguments about someone elses opinions. I listen to all of it these days and if I have a say, I'll say it - I notice what I know and see and find that others have a problem with it. Example about a member who was talking a bunch of **** (my free speech) about my 'profile' (my free speech) and who i might be, am or have been on this forum before. Guilty before proven innocent. Censor her! In way farer minds, that is as good as a goodbye in censorship. Who deleted my post for no astrological content a couple weeks back - where I am certain I said something like ..... I have mars in cancer and went on a pontification ramt of patriotism, paciffism and pathology? Deleted in 2 minutes for having no astro content and no standard deviation of adjustments. Was it the same person who said that a call for censorship is the same as free speech? lol. I think so.

I absolutely love and hate a member who posts a bunch of space and brain filling memes quotes requotes videos etc - anything - TO anything posted on this site. I should feel happy to call him/her an **** or a hero, without someone else with tiny antennae coming around to tell me how I need to phrase a post or thought. I prefer a member being able to say "you are full of shittyshite to me" than 'post deleted for expressing their thoughts."

The last thing I look for on this site are the astrologers who tell a girl asking does she have a fat @ss, "No" but in fact the girl does and the the astrologers, on other pages tell girls like her - "your @ss too fat".

A forum, like in greece? Who were the greek astrologers and how did they treat free speech? What reception of my mars saturn and moon can be shown in this statement? mars in 11th moon in 11th and Saturn in capricorn domecile in 6th. Gettin' through the day with character intact? lol.

Reception is a passificist way of saying, 'im not being completely honest but others will figure it out', just my opinion.

Moon and Sun bay. Mercury in a good or bad mood. All the rest are supporting stage actors with an agenda that the querant may or may not want to manifiest as yes or no.

Too many feels on this page. Where the heckin did Tikana go? She didn't butter burnt bread, ever! Is there a soft way to say yes to bad or no to good? It's all ear tickling in my opinion. YES OR NO?

 

[Blister]

Dear Admin/Mods?

Do I have permission to repost your personal message regarding this post that you took upon yourself to cut?
" your post was edited"
"do not single out the moderators and criticize the moderators?"
Oxymoron Communitization imo.
Be careful what you say
and be more careful about who reads or hears it,

I'm an aquarian sun and merc with uranus on both their sides. I might be in the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time, but I know a clock is right twice a day, no matter what time zone you are in. You guys are hilarrrrrrious.

 

[aqualovebot]

Dear Admin/Mods?

Do I have permission to repost your personal message regarding this post that you took upon yourself to cut?
" your post was edited"
"do not single out the moderators and criticize the moderators?"
Oxymoron Communitization imo.
Be careful what you say
and be more careful about who reads or hears it,

I'm an aquarian sun and merc with uranus on both their sides. I might be in the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time, but I know a clock is right twice a day, no matter what time zone you are in. You guys are hilarrrrrrious.

Hah! My comment may be deleted so be it - but there is definitely a pick and choose in whose comments get deleted, or who gets heavily moderated here. You can get called an ass on here and god forbid, you respond back with sources. You are not the only person with these same thoughts! Don't get me wrong I am grateful that there is some moderation here, and many are trying their best - however, I do see a lot of the critique that exist and is circulating here.

 

[aqualovebot]

You make good point about reception. I haven't been able to assign reception often to charts where moon is not placed in house or ruling house of the question. Is it possible, hear me out - the trads will jump on this - Is it possible that RECEPTION is the answer to a question asked in un-authenticity? I know it was drummed into my horary brain that the question cannot be a whim - it must be a burning question - one that someone has been brewing and stewing on for more than a minute. Something that has been pestering them or building up over time with no resolve.

Yes or No answers by reception? What a tangled web we weave when the question is to deceive?

What is the wrench in the works that requires 'reception' for a yes or now answer?

Is it a reframed question with a different intent?

Honest question.

Will I marry this man? I love him so much and we are going nowhere....

Moon in the 2nd of querant and Moon rules 8th of the quesited and both are null to another but by reception of Mars in 7th house and Mars rules 12th of quesited.

Yes answer: give up the snatch or keep dreaming
No answer: contentious agreements

Am I totally out of bounds on this thought?

In some extent, Yes. This online forum leads for a lot of just **** charts. It is what It is. Once they start costing 40 dollar cost a question - hah, you would be surprised how many of these questions all the sudden become deleted. Beyond that, if you ask will I be in a relationship in the next four months - meeting a guy in the bar doesn't invalidate the other chart - so any other questions of relationships whether its about the idea or an actual person is just reasking the question. I am sure the stars knew you were going to meet David at the bar and the stars knew it was not going to go anywhere and that's why the answer to the original chart is a no. More times then not you'll find the moon or L1 with no reception with the guy but with the part of the marriage - I want a person and you came along, and I don't care, I'm ready to fill that spot. Y

Reception absolutely can give a no answer - John from the bank isn't going to marry you if he think your just a kind fellow, there needs to be something more. I think that's where people kind of catch the hick up at. We know these feelings - we feel these feelings. It's just about putting them into perspective. Mary from the gym who you catch drinks with once in a while but would never invite to a party - is the exact same feeling as triplicity - how very likely are you to shack Mary? Not at all.

Using your example what are the signs they are in?

 

[aqualovebot]

I am totally over heated discussions and arguments about someone elses opinions. I listen to all of it these days and if I have a say, I'll say it - I notice what I know and see and find that others have a problem with it. Example about a member who was talking a bunch of **** (my free speech) about my 'profile' (my free speech) and who i might be, am or have been on this forum before. Guilty before proven innocent. Censor her! In way farer minds, that is as good as a goodbye in censorship. Who deleted my post for no astrological content a couple weeks back - where I am certain I said something like ..... I have mars in cancer and went on a pontification ramt of patriotism, paciffism and pathology? Deleted in 2 minutes for having no astro content and no standard deviation of adjustments. [* snipped comment about mods]

I absolutely love and hate a member who posts a bunch of space and brain filling memes quotes requotes videos etc - anything - TO anything posted on this site. I should feel happy to call him/her an **** or a hero, without someone else with tiny antennae coming around to tell me how I need to phrase a post or thought. I prefer a member being able to say "you are full of shittyshite to me" than 'post deleted for expressing their thoughts."

The last thing I look for on this site are the astrologers who tell a girl asking does she have a fat @ss, "No" but in fact the girl does and the the astrologers, on other pages tell girls like her - "your @ss too fat".

A forum, like in greece? Who were the greek astrologers and how did they treat free speech?

I hope you don't take it directed to you - I in now way meant it. I'm in agreement with you - I don't hope to lose my cool on here very often especially because my goal on here is to talk sources - book, history, things we know to be true and to question them - I had hoped this to be a learning space - natal versus horary versus mundane. If astrology must work then we can not bend history to fit it - with that being said I have never in my life seen so many people living in there own imaginary bubble then what this has been populated to become. You can link 90 different credible sources and people instead will critique your grammar or just refuse to read. I can see now why many people have left but I digress. A shame as I have been able to find some people who enjoy the very little conversations I can have on sources, versus people fever dreams. This reminds me too deeply of the 90's too many people coked out, talking nonsense. Seems like I have gone on a ramble, apologies for high jacking - but you are not the only one.

 

[aqualovebot]

Reception is a passificist way of saying, 'im not being completely honest but others will figure it out', just my opinion.

Hah, yes! You have no idea how often I'll find myself saying - there someone else isn't there? All the sudden the story has become something radically different then what was being told.

Moon and Sun bay. Mercury in a good or bad mood. All the rest are supporting stage actors with an agenda that the querant may or may not want to manifiest as yes or no.

Too many feels on this page. Where the heckin did Tikana go? She didn't butter burnt bread, ever! Is there a soft way to say yes to bad or no to good? It's all ear tickling in my opinion. YES OR NO?

I much agree - or very little actually practice true astrology. Tikana at the very least, always used sources to back her own thinking up that were from horary and was happy to share them.