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Influence aka impact of PLANETS
includes effects of TRANSITS
BOTH natal and transits impact are partially dependent on HOUSE LOCATION
i.e.
houses are defined as
angular - 1st, 4th, 7th & 10th
succeedent - 2nd, 5th, 8th, & 11th
and
cadent - 3rd, 6th, 9th & 12th as shown in the diagram
The houses are not all equal in strength and power.
it is much more forceful in its effects than it would be in a cadent house.
On page 48 of Christian Astrology Lilly writes:
The angles are most powerful, the succeedents are next in virtue, the cadents poor, and of little efficacy
In force and virtue they stand so in order:
1 10 7 4 11 5 9 3 2 8 6 12
The meaning whereof is this, that two planets equally dignified
the one in the Ascendant, the other in the tenth house
you shall judge the planet in the Ascendant somewhat of more power
to effect what he is significator of
than he that is in the tenth: do so in the rest as they stand in order
remembering that planets in angles do more forcibly show their effects.
The astrological angles - ascendant, midheaven (MC), descendant and lower midheaven (IC)
- are the most potent and influential areas in any chart.
Any planet that is in conjunction with an angle
will have a marked influence that resonates throughout the chart and greatly colours its overall meaning.
Deborah Houlding
25 August 2022 An introduction to transits in astrology
which is one of the primary timing techniques
that astrologers use to make predictions
with astrologers Chris Brennan and Leisa Schaim
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An Introduction to Aspects and Chart Shaping in Natal Astrology by Nicholas Campion
New astrologers will sooner or later come across references to unaspected planets, dissociate aspects, aspect patterns and chart shapes. This article, adapted from the text of Nicholas Campion's compendium of astrology - The Ultimate Astrologer (published by Hay House, 2003) - offers an...
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Your Moon is not comfortable expressing itself, your inner feeling life, because it is in Scorpio, so in its depression or fall. Saturn is strong in its dignity. Moon aspects Saturn both by square and is pretty closely parallel. So Saturn's inhibiting influence, and whatever other symbolism you may learn about Saturn, will apply here. Since there is a square, Saturn's influence, the lesson's that Saturn will teach you, may have something of an ambush feel, kind of out of the blue. So I would say you have a strong Saturn influence on your Moon heightened by a wider square aspect and also by their being parallel, which is typically only by close orb, like a degree or degree and a half. I think the square is more influential.
Regarding Moon Mars, I do not see a square. Being out of sign and so far apart, I see a trine by sign. Moon is unhappy in Scorp by essential dignity as mentioned above, being in its depression or fall, and Mars is unhappy, also in its depression in Cancer. But they like each other, support each other by mutual reception, each being in the sign of the other's dignity and also in trine by sign. I don't see that Mars harms Moon, but rather is supportive [to the limited extent that it is able while being in its fall itself] by reception and by trine.
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Your chart is clear in that it says you are EXTREMELY conflicted. One conflict is between the "attachment/detachment" dynamic.
Freedom vs security....which rarely goes together....unless you are OK being alone...
which you are not.
So you need to examine and research your conflict sources...usually beginning in the original home. That is where we all learn the "negative laws" and you have learned many of them.
LIN
Freedom vs security....which rarely goes together....unless you are OK being alone...
which you are not.
So you need to examine and research your conflict sources...usually beginning in the original home. That is where we all learn the "negative laws" and you have learned many of them.
LIN
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I absolutely disagree!
Mars, although weak by sign, is trine Pluto, Mercury and the Sun, and all four of these planets are trine the Ascendant, forming a Grand Trine. This indicates a lot of positive masculine energy, both physically and psychically. Despite what some here may say, a Grand Trine is extremely harmonious and provides a constructive lifelong base to work from. Jupiter is trine Saturn, indicating a balanced mind, neither too liberal nor too conservative (not speaking in political terms, but in a psychological sense). The Moon is sextile Venus, giving a sympathetic and open nature and generally good relations with the opposite sex. Neptune in the 11th house is sextile Pluto in the 8th, with the possibility of sympathetic, insightful, and most likely eccentric (due to Uranus conjunction) friends that can be a link to hidden resources (of emotional power, money, support). All of these are especially harmonious and offer opportunities, right now, in the present.
Yes, there is the Moon applying square to Saturn, which has a depressive effect on the mind and emotions, and possibly health. Moon square Mars IMO is out of orb, and certainly less potent than these positive aspects.
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The chart presented is by no means what most astrologers would consider highly conflicted.
Since the matter was not brought up by the OP, there is no need to bring in any other topics, like transits, to respond to the initial questions.
Occasionally it happens that posters tout their knowledge to newcomers of a forum, or even deliberately attempt to confuse them. Remember that most of the astrologers here are not professionals, and many are actually beginners like yourself.
Therefore, my personal advice would be, take a lot of what you read here with a grain of salt, and if you want to learn, get a couple of good books on astrology and go from there.
Since the matter was not brought up by the OP, there is no need to bring in any other topics, like transits, to respond to the initial questions.
Occasionally it happens that posters tout their knowledge to newcomers of a forum, or even deliberately attempt to confuse them. Remember that most of the astrologers here are not professionals, and many are actually beginners like yourself.
Therefore, my personal advice would be, take a lot of what you read here with a grain of salt, and if you want to learn, get a couple of good books on astrology and go from there.
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There is plenty in astrology, but some astrologers may (shall we say) not do the discipline justice.
As Hippocrates (who was a physician and astrologer) said,
Art is long,
Life is short,
Opportunity fleeting,
Experiment dangerous,
Judgment difficult.
The astrological art is very long indeed. Lots of people who have been involved many years admit they are still working at it (myself included of course).
Moon applying to conjunction with Uranus (orb 3:06).
Lin
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The study of astrology, whether your own chart or someone else's, is not for everyone.
In order to read a chart (and your own chart is the hardest to read) one must be able to be absolutely honest with oneself, and be detached enough to see one's own character, traits, shortcomings, skills, gifts, personality... - and .this takes time.
Because if the word "conflict" is difficult for anyone "own", it's hard to read ANY chart...because I have never read a chart (in over 40 years) which did not have some conflict in it.
And then there are the transits....which can bring conflict into a previously peaceful area of one's life.
When one is angry, sad, ambiguous, depressed, ill....there are going to be squares, inconjuncts, oppositions, in the chart.
It's always best to use several sources of the really respected basic astrology books ...the basics allow one to get used to the language of astrology....and the symbolism.
It's very common when beginning to read about your own chart to feel defensive.. That is why it's a good idea to get the opinions of several real astrologers....most astrologers will agree with the interpretation of any particular chart...even if they use different methods to do the interpretations.
LIN
In order to read a chart (and your own chart is the hardest to read) one must be able to be absolutely honest with oneself, and be detached enough to see one's own character, traits, shortcomings, skills, gifts, personality... - and .this takes time.
Because if the word "conflict" is difficult for anyone "own", it's hard to read ANY chart...because I have never read a chart (in over 40 years) which did not have some conflict in it.
And then there are the transits....which can bring conflict into a previously peaceful area of one's life.
When one is angry, sad, ambiguous, depressed, ill....there are going to be squares, inconjuncts, oppositions, in the chart.
It's always best to use several sources of the really respected basic astrology books ...the basics allow one to get used to the language of astrology....and the symbolism.
It's very common when beginning to read about your own chart to feel defensive.. That is why it's a good idea to get the opinions of several real astrologers....most astrologers will agree with the interpretation of any particular chart...even if they use different methods to do the interpretations.
LIN
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Well, all squares represent some sort of conflict.....that is what a square IS...that is what it represents...because the signs which are 90 degrees apart are not compatible. It's like 2 people who are very different trying to work together...and they don't have the same skills, the same values, the same impulses, the same goals. They will conflict. Because they are SO different....one will always want to be "in charge". Saturn will usually win. But the other planet will feel unexpressed. Hence, internal conflict of some sort....
If you can find any source which says that a square does not have a conflict dynamic, I would be happy to see it.
LIN
If you can find any source which says that a square does not have a conflict dynamic, I would be happy to see it.
LIN
I would frame the square and opposition like this: In my experience, the square is a blindsiding aspect. It comes out of nowhere from the side, at 90 degrees; you don't see it. It's like being hit broadside at an obscured intersection.
The opposition is right in front of you. It's an oppositional by nature. But you see it.
I'll take an opposition any day over a square.
Lin
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" Squares are an obstacle in front of you preventing you from going where you want to go. You will have to expend more energy to deal with it, by climbing over it, pushing through it, or going around it."
I'm confused: is this not one of the exact definitions of conflict? What else would call it? And when I said "conflict" ....maybe didn't make myself clear...I meant "internal" conflict. Obstacles...which you must navigate using your natural energy...but that energy is not easy access (that would be a trine)....so conflict.
And yes, you DO see the square...like the closet you open and suddenly you realize you have been stuffing things into the closet without examining each thing and deciding where it should go... and then everything comes tumbling out...and you say....OH SH__! NOw I have to deal with all this stuff...I didn't know where to put it...so I just shoved it in the closet...."
The amount of psychic detritus that builds up varies from person to person...and the strength of their Neptune...which can keep them in the dark for a long time....(another subject.) Most people do not recognize the repetitious dynamic of the square....we think..."I just have to get thru this...then I'll relax"....but ...not so much.
We all do this. Bits and pieces of stuff we don't want to deal with because decisions are required...we are conflicted about what to DO with these things. So we stuff them away. Until some heavy transits comes along....or even a not so heavy transit comes along...and we can't ignore the stuff anymore.
More personal planetary squares are energies that we have to deal with since birth....so by the time we are 5 or 6 or so we have already learned a LOT of lessons about how to deal with conflicting energies in our lives... and take them for granted.
Oppositions are aspects we think comes from an outside source (another person, an event, etc) ...but really it's also a look in the mirror....this is what we attract/ed. These are our choices....this is where we get to make decisions...this or that. Not both at the same time.
Some times these choices are relatively easy....each month the moon makes all the aspects to every planet in our chart...so these daily decisions we usually handle with little thought ...that they are, in fact, choices....choices we can change if we want...most people live a large part of their lives on automatic pilot ...because unless one has NO fixity or Virgo or Cancer in their chart....except a house cusp (not an angle) we tend to make the same (subliminal or unconscious) decisions over and over...we call them "habit."
The INCONJUNCT....which I have studied for decades....is a subject for another thread....
LIN
I'm confused: is this not one of the exact definitions of conflict? What else would call it? And when I said "conflict" ....maybe didn't make myself clear...I meant "internal" conflict. Obstacles...which you must navigate using your natural energy...but that energy is not easy access (that would be a trine)....so conflict.
And yes, you DO see the square...like the closet you open and suddenly you realize you have been stuffing things into the closet without examining each thing and deciding where it should go... and then everything comes tumbling out...and you say....OH SH__! NOw I have to deal with all this stuff...I didn't know where to put it...so I just shoved it in the closet...."
The amount of psychic detritus that builds up varies from person to person...and the strength of their Neptune...which can keep them in the dark for a long time....(another subject.) Most people do not recognize the repetitious dynamic of the square....we think..."I just have to get thru this...then I'll relax"....but ...not so much.
We all do this. Bits and pieces of stuff we don't want to deal with because decisions are required...we are conflicted about what to DO with these things. So we stuff them away. Until some heavy transits comes along....or even a not so heavy transit comes along...and we can't ignore the stuff anymore.
More personal planetary squares are energies that we have to deal with since birth....so by the time we are 5 or 6 or so we have already learned a LOT of lessons about how to deal with conflicting energies in our lives... and take them for granted.
Oppositions are aspects we think comes from an outside source (another person, an event, etc) ...but really it's also a look in the mirror....this is what we attract/ed. These are our choices....this is where we get to make decisions...this or that. Not both at the same time.
Some times these choices are relatively easy....each month the moon makes all the aspects to every planet in our chart...so these daily decisions we usually handle with little thought ...that they are, in fact, choices....choices we can change if we want...most people live a large part of their lives on automatic pilot ...because unless one has NO fixity or Virgo or Cancer in their chart....except a house cusp (not an angle) we tend to make the same (subliminal or unconscious) decisions over and over...we call them "habit."
The INCONJUNCT....which I have studied for decades....is a subject for another thread....
LIN
Frisiangal
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Calling squares a 'conflict' can create negative influences within an individual hearing it as an effect within themselves.
Use the word 'challenge' and it creates a different and more positive meaning.
As a client many moons ago phoned back to say, 'IT WORKS, IT WORKS.'
Moon-Saturn are natural antagonists. O.P's Moon square Saturn becomes the challenge of insight between inner feelings and their effect upon outer manifestations .....or vice versa.
Use the word 'challenge' and it creates a different and more positive meaning.
As a client many moons ago phoned back to say, 'IT WORKS, IT WORKS.'
Moon-Saturn are natural antagonists. O.P's Moon square Saturn becomes the challenge of insight between inner feelings and their effect upon outer manifestations .....or vice versa.
Lin
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LOL... I use the words that fit my definition of the way I see the aspects.... in over 40 years of my using this word ...I have had NO one ever telling me they did not relate to it or were "offended" as though I were criticizing them instead of what do...READ THE MAP.Calling squares a 'conflict' can create negative influences within an individual hearing it as an effect within themselves.
Use the word 'challenge' and it creates a different and more positive meaning.
As a client many moons ago phoned back to say, 'IT WORKS, IT WORKS.'
Moon-Saturn are natural antagonists. O.P's Moon square Saturn becomes the challenge of insight between inner feelings and their effect upon outer manifestations .....or vice versa.
And I certainly have no intention of changing my mode of communication based on someone not liking the way I define an aspect.
Everyone has the right to just ignore anything or everything I say....if they choose.
To me, the word Challenge is valid for some squares....BRUTAL is another word for some squares....DEVASTATING is another word for some squares. And the conflict Is often between the native and the native. It's called internal conflict. Softening the language does not alter truth.
You know from the past, Frisiangal...I like using ALL my words!!
LIN
(you know what word I LOVE? Anthropomorphize ...... this way of seeing and experiencing energy one doesn't have oneself is very effective.)
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