Indications that this is the native’s last incarnation

[Mohammad690]

Peace upon all,

What do you think indicates in a chart that this is the native’s last incarnation?

 

[JUPITERASC]

Peace upon all,
What do you think indicates in a chart that
this is the native’s last incarnation?

Thanks for the peaceful wishes to all - and to you likewise
Astrology has many answers to many questions
and is dependent on the experienced practical knowledge
as well as the level of understanding of the individual astrologer
FURTHERMORE
there is no way of proving the veracity or otherwise
of any given answers
also
since not all astrologers "believe in last incarnation theory"
opinions are likely to differ

 

[Mohammad690]

Thanks for the peaceful wishes to all - and to you likewise
Astrology has many answers to many questions
and is dependent on the experienced practical knowledge
as well as the level of understanding of the individual astrologer
FURTHERMORE
there is no way of proving the veracity or otherwise
of any given answers
also
since not all astrologers "believe in last incarnation theory"
opinions are likely to differ

Through the magic of internet, we can aggregate the varied knowledge and experience of different practitioners in order to draw our very own conclusions.

Of course some may not believe in incarnation at all, but since this is the karmic segment of the forum, it is safe to assume that many who visit these pages do.

I am curious to see if anyone has any relevant theory or experience with the charts of spiritual masters who are the closest suspects that we have to people who are in their last incarnation.

Since this is an astrological forum, I am more interested in the astrological side of it, e.g. chart placements, more than the philosophical and spiritual aspects and their veracity

 

[Humanitarian]

Peace upon all,

What do you think indicates in a chart that this is the native’s last incarnation?

Stellium in Pisces

 

[leomoon]

Edgar Cayce the prophet of the last century, told us of at least 14 souls who didn't have to return here again, but it would be their choice if they chose to. The point being, they didn't have to, their cycle was complete.


When his son and grandson saw these readings, some of the people they knew rather well over the years from coming to the A.R.E..in Va. Beach.


None seemed to be of "that caliber", meaning, not what you'd expect at all. Some were impatient, some were downright nasty at times, all had human flaws of one sort or another.


I decided to do their natal chart having all the times of birth and I agree with them. Not what one might expect.


Last time I did the charts on another forum, a few Vedic Astrologers were very interested, and I think they found some kind of similarity.


Bottom line, is you cannot tell from one individual's birth chart, what their soul has achieved.


You fool yourselves, imo.


note: If anyone is truly interested in knowing these charts you can always PM me for where they can be seen.

 

[CapAquaPis]

14...15 souls (and I strongly feel, believe or sense this is my last lifetime, like the final trial of being alive). My sun and moon are in the "black ball" 8th, thus the end of the game...when you hit the "8th" pool ball, it directly goes into the hole. And an Aquarius, close enough to Pisces, the last sun sign of the zodiac.

 

[Humanitarian]

14...15 souls (and I strongly feel, believe or sense this is my last lifetime, like the final trial of being alive). My sun and moon are in the "black ball" 8th, thus the end of the game...when you hit the "8th" pool ball, it directly goes into the hole. And an Aquarius, close enough to Pisces, the last sun sign of the zodiac.

I'm really close to the end, but I need one more life to experience the Aquarian Age, the age that I'll be loved in. Karma in Sag, Sun in Sag in 7th house. A lot of Scorpionic energy in my chart.

 

[ZiggySmalls]

Stellium in Pisces

Hi I think that's me I got Mercury r, Sun Saturn Venus and Pallas al in my Pisces 6th house. Also Im a life path number 9

 

[leomoon]

Cayce taught that death does not lead to “rest in peace,” because there is much to do, enjoy, and experience in dimensions beyond this third dimension. Our bodies function for a good while but they eventually run down and our soul is forced to move on. Beyond this life and its activities is a vast reality that our souls know well. Even Jesus taught Nicodemus: “No one ascends to heaven who did not first descend from heaven, even the son of man!” (John 3:13) Prior to our birth our soul had been alive and busy! Our soul intentionally and purposely sought to incarnate for another opportunity to resolve mistakes and channel the spirit and essence of our Creator, so as to be companions.


This is why our souls reincarnate.

Here’s an important teaching to keep in mind: there will come a point at which we will no longer seek incarnation. Yes, it’s true. We are eternal celestial beings, not permanent terrestrial beings. Edgar Cayce actually told several souls that this was their last incarnation! I had the good fortune to know some of these souls, and I can tell that they were not perfect; so growth toward companionship with the Creator must continue in other realms beyond the physical. Life is so much bigger and better than we see from here. Let’s seek the bigger view, the broader understanding. Let’s apply ourselves to meeting all that is before us to do as best we can, and then happily move on to bigger and better experiences in the heavenly realms of life. Remember that even the disciple Paul wrote for us to know that he experienced the “third heaven,” he didn’t know if he was in the body or out of the body but he knew he was one of the higher dimensions of heaven (II Corinthians 12:2)

JANUARY: Why do Our Souls Reincarnate?

Edgar Cayce – and many other sources going all the way back to the ancient Sanskrit texts of Hinduism – taught and explained reincarnation as a fact of soul life. Karma and rebirth are forces designed to influence the developing wisdom and companionability of the Children of God – of the...

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Here are a few examples of some told they did not have to return to earth. The last one called Minerva, had family difficulties, her father was needy but died, and now her mother was dying. She (Minerva) was clinging to a boyfriend that Cayce told her was not good for her - so I put Juno in her chart and you can see both aspects to Juno (Mars & Saturn) are negative ones ....I don't know how she made out with him or if she dropped him.
Sometimes I think we take on harder lives (karma all at once to finish up) in the last lifetime.

 

[Frisiangal]

This topic caught my eye and immediatly invoked 'feelings' of (possible) planetary significance.
Whether reincarnation exists I don't know, but what I found interesting in the 4 charts above is that all show a link between Sun (life) - Neptune (dissolution of physical) - MEAN Black Moon Lilith ([return to] non-physical manifestation). Saturn (manifestation in life)) did not appear to be strongly linked to them.
I wonder if the Moira's (threads of life) showed any significance through natal or transiting positions.

Did the individuals choose not to reincarnate or was the choice made for them ????
Who would know anyway?

 

[FraterAC]

I've known a number of people who claimed they were done, or wanted to be done.
In every case they had loads of unfulfilled (if frustrated) desires. As long as the personality has desires, it's coming back, because there is no other realm in which desires can be resolved.
Anything one wants in this sphere (or reality) binds them to it. That means good things too -- enlightenment, harmony, love -- freedom even.
One of the tricks of Maya is to believe one has already achieved Enlightenment -- when they have not even begun the process.
See, that way they don't have to start!

 

[leomoon]

This topic caught my eye and immediatly invoked 'feelings' of (possible) planetary significance.
Whether reincarnation exists I don't know, but what I found interesting in the 4 charts above is that all show a link between Sun (life) - Neptune (dissolution of physical) - MEAN Black Moon Lilith ([return to] non-physical manifestation). Saturn (manifestation in life)) did not appear to be strongly linked to them.
I wonder if the Moira's (threads of life) showed any significance through natal or transiting positions.

Did the individuals choose not to reincarnate or was the choice made for them ????
Who would know anyway?

There was no mention of them wanting to return or not. Some had good lives, some not so great as they'd have liked. I'll post another who had been told she also was the teacher of Jesus in the northern group of Essenes from age 13-16 . I know her daughters were not as close to her as she would have liked and people thought her personality was rather too business -like. She was a business woman, in NY, I think an owner in the radio business.

Point being (Frater), accdg. to Cayce, we have many many other lifetimes, and he said even if they "screwed up" so to speak in this one, it wouldn't matter as long as it wasn't too badly, because they had already been souls who had made it through their cycles. THIS lifetime didn't require perfection. Of course if they wanted to return they certainly had that option. Cayce did, and didn't have to. Jesus did and didn't have to. Many do and don't have to.

Personally, I'd not return - having no affiliations I cling to or desire on this plane. Kind of "been there/done that" feelings. Some of us are also twin souls so working in unison with another i.e. two personalities working towards the same goal.

For far right - "Martha" part of her reading said:

But for Martha as we’ll call her, from reading 560-1: “ In the present then keep – as were in old- those experiences that make for the understanding of those forces in love as were manifested in the home in Bethany. Kep that committed , for those that seek through love will find. Those that seek through any other source may be dumbfounded in the maze of that as is presented”

She was told that the astrological tendencies seen in the personality which will impel her may be overcome, or as Cayce said, “irrespective of will”. Certain traits build ed by various lifetimes then become part and parcel of her natal chart to contend with.

In Mercury and Venus it was mentioned that she can be someone haughty, or standing aloof from others. Grudges or slights won’t be easily forgotten. As for Jupiter and Uranus, he gave the following which sounds cryptically like, it’s really up to her to overcome those traits and not return:

“ Yet in the building much has been lost in the bigness of the influences gained in Jupiter and Uranus in this respect for the spiritual life of the entity is such as to have built for a development in this present plane to such an extent – that is the desire such and kept in the present attunement, the earth need hold no cares for the entity in or after this experience”

In Jupiter she was told she was one who had a “broad vision” which enables her to reach far beyond what others might.

In Uranus there was the tendency to be misunderstood yet much intuition.

 

[leomoon]

Frisangal: That's very interesting about Neptune & the Sun = Good Find! - Not all had this however, but many did. I don't, but my husband does in the 11th.
I just have Sun square to Neptune. I can't find any or many with tob, only Oliver Cromwell, and his reincarnation self- # who returned as an Insurance Salesman/Counselor

Here is one that has the conjunction (left) and on far right is the reincarnated Cromwell - with a square of Neptune to Sun:

 

[leomoon]

Judy the teacher of Jesus in the Essenes (the portion of Essenes which was more open and situated in the North near and not the South where John was located near the Dead Sea) Only their numbers assigned were known for many decades after their deaths.
was really named Julia Chandler = and in 1947 she wrote this for the
organization named for him, the A.R.E. :
Visions in the conscious state were another of Mr.
Cayce’s extrasensory experiences. He needed no
trance for these. They were effortless occurrences in
his everyday life. One of them concerned a house I
bought at Virginia Beach in 1941. Mr. Cayce told me
this: “While fishing from my pier, I visited your house
in a vision. I entered a long living room that opened
on the side through French windows into a screened
porch. I heard you typing, and I was about to enter
when three strange men suddenly joined me. Each
carried a scroll to give you. One taught Jesus in Persia
when you sent him there. The other witnessed Jesus’
initiation in Egypt. And the third knew Him in Nazareth
Each one had a scroll with a story about Jesus. They
wanted to give them to you.

Julia Chandler was a radio personality, writer, lecturer, and a
Trustee on the A.R.E. Board. For many years, she was the Re-
gional Representative for the A.R.E. in the New York area.

 

[Frisiangal]

Frisangal: That's very interesting about Neptune & the Sun = Good Find! - Not all had this however, but many did.

Here is one that has the conjunction (left) and on far right is the reincarnated Cromwell - with a square of Neptune to Sun:

The link to MEAN BML on a close degree is again evident.