Is Eris an astrological planet?

[FraterAC]

I pay attention to what people share about themselves. Of course, we can never totally get inside the skin of another human being, but I think astrology's best use is self-awareness. Ideally, we get to know ourselves better.

Just because some astrologers do a lot of calculations, look for external phenomena to validate, and entertain and try to develop theoretical astrological considerations, does not mean they are ignorant of the inner, psychological significance of astrological elements, or that they are incapable of applying these principles to their own inner lives.
As one has said elsewhere, Gurdjieff said, one must learn these things by taste, by smell -- ie experientially.

 

[waybread]

Frater, the problem is that no astrological signature works 100%. This may be the fault of astrology in general, or it may be because a horoscope has thousands of data bytes that interact as an extremely complex system: along with the native's non-astrological life circumstances.

Eris stays in one sign for so long that we really have to think in terms of its relationships with personal planets and angles. I don't think we can look at charts of, say, female athletes and note Eris in Aries, for example.

As a card-carrying 2nd wave feminist myself, I have no idea what is meant by "militant femininity." It seems like a scare tactic to me.

The social sciences, incidentally are trending more towards qualitative research, with open-ended interviews, and letting interviewees help to guide the data collection. It's not such a top-down process of deciding in advance what Eris is supposed to mean, and then seeing who or what does or does not fit the definition.

An analogy would be to define love. You know if when you feel it, not when a set of pre-determined definitions are applied to your experience.

 

[FraterAC]

It seems like a scare tactic to me.

I doubt that other guy was trying to scare anyone, that it did scare anyone, or that it scared me.

 

[FraterAC]

The problem is that we have to plow through all our individual subjectivity to understand or use astrology. We have to be at a point of high clarity. A problem most do not realize exists, and fewer are willing to attempt to address.
Not just biases. Unconscious misunderstandings, misfiled data, logical errors, misunderstood memories, flights of fantasy and out and out delusions.
It's not astrology that doesn't work. Or needs "fixing."

 

[FraterAC]

A lot of these discussions about Eris happened in the thread Eris VS Pluto -- Who wins the power war? here under Modern Astrology. It starts picking up after the first page or so.

 

[waybread]

FraterAC, to put your post 24 differently, "there is no view from nowhere." We all have our individual subjectivity.

But this would have to be true of the ancients who first developed and recorded astrology, also.

If there is some objectively real astrology "out there," we would have no way of knowing it,

We have to dwell on and in what Steven Forrest called "The Inner Sky."

 

[Nexus7]

The problem is that we have to plow through all our individual subjectivity to understand or use astrology. We have to be at a point of high clarity. A problem most do not realize exists, and fewer are willing to attempt to address.
Not just biases. Unconscious misunderstandings, misfiled data, logical errors, misunderstood memories, flights of fantasy and out and out delusions.
It's not astrology that doesn't work. Or needs "fixing."

Tarnas suggested that objectivity is impossible, when we are part of the cosmos. But it surely ought to be possible to draw on findings to get a sense of Eris 's signature.

 

[John Human]

Eris, with its extensive orbit and prolonged stay in each sign, seems to reflect broader historical and societal shifts rather than immediate, personal influences. Its journey through Aries and Taurus could align with transformative eras marked by conflict, innovation, and societal restructuring, symbolizing deeper, era-defining themes. These patterns might suggest that Eris operates on a scale far beyond generational, capturing the underlying forces that drive civilizations toward progress or upheaval.

Its role may not be about the specifics of events but the overarching narratives they create, requiring a historian’s lens to discern its subtle, expansive influence. Perhaps Eris invites us to consider the larger cycles shaping humanity, much like historians analyze epochs rather than moments.​

I will suggest that natal Eris aspects to personal planets are just as profound as natal Pluto aspects. Howard Zinn and Lyndon LaRouche were born with Eris conjunct their South Node. I was born with Eris conjunct my Sun, same as Leibniz. When Eris transited my tight Mercury/Ascendant conjunction (centered on 2017), profound changes happened in my life. Historically, using the correct May 15 U.S. horoscope for the original independence resolution that created the thirteen united states, Eris transited the U.S. nadir between 1804 and 1814, corresponding tightly to the extended crisis including impressment, non-importation, and the War of 1812.

 

[John Human]

OK. It is definitely an archetype that is currently enjoying much attention at this time in popular culture. IIRC one writer, whose initials I dare not type, predicted the rise of militant femininity about 115 years ago.
BTW I was also around when feminism was still called women's liberation. Those were my girlfriends.
But I am not convinced Seltzer's book, or the currently available data, indicates that archetype as being the essential nature of this planet.
If we assume it is, and then profile several prominent women, and say, see, there's Eris in these charts, we haven't made a decent case for anything. This is what I felt Seltzer did. If he had picked 20 NFL players and done the same thing, what conclusion would we make? That Eris is the planet ruling the NFL?

Mythologically, Eris is one half of a split archetype, the other half being Harmonia. Eris correlates with resistance to injustice, and Cicero identified love toward our fellow humans as of the essence of the preeminent cardinal virtue of justice, pointing to Eris's archetypal association with our capacity to experience and share universal love.

 

[Nexus7]

Absolutely! Eris must symbolise an arc of trends and development that can be hardly discernible, because the time scale goes way beyo d discernible trends.

How do you see your Eris conjunct Sun? Can you discern any kind of Eris signature? It's in Aries, I take it?

Eris conjunct South Node must be really interesting, as the South Node is said to refer to pasts beyond this lifetime.

Treaties, historical events that alter history, they certainly get remembered by successive generations, (often, alongside some bitterness, of it was an unfair treaty, or perceived as such), even if they took place well égorgé the subject was born. And such things are tentatively linked to Eris. I think Eris features strongly in the chart for the Treaty of Rome, for example?

How do you think this Eris/South Node link manifests in the charts of the two individuals you mention?

Jobs and Gates (Moon conjunct Eris) completely changed the way many people relate, not always in ways that those not born post social media necessarily like. One astrologer I have encountered thought Eris in Aries can be seen in the narcissism social media has brought in its wake. Karl Marx did create a philosophy that has changed the world, though perhaps not as comprehensively as he way have wished. Eris riding in Aquarius.

I'd be curious to know if Eris is strong in the chart of Yuvul. He, as in Sapiens. Is there a chart anywhere for him?

 

[FraterAC]

FraterAC, to put your post 24 differently, "there is no view from nowhere." We all have our individual subjectivity.

But this would have to be true of the ancients who first developed and recorded astrology, also.

If there is some objectively real astrology "out there," we would have no way of knowing it,

We have to dwell on and in what Steven Forrest called "The Inner Sky."

The point is it is up to us to attempt to identify and overcome those limitations. It will never be absolute, but the process can be initiated. There is no doubt whatsoever significant progress can be made in a single lifetime.
What is more fatalistic? That we're stuck in a box we can never see out of, or that it's possible to begin to get ourselves out of the cave, although we'll never really see the light directly?

 

[waybread]

I've posted elsewhere occasionally that the real focus of astrology is (or should be) the "inner sky." We don't look at the heavens anymore for our character analyses and predictions: we look at horoscopes and ephemerides.

Let's explore the box.

 

[Claire19]

A lot of these discussions about Eris happened in the thread Eris VS Pluto -- Who wins the power war? here under Modern Astrology. It starts picking up after the first page or

 

[Claire19]

Eris is not widely accepted as a major planet for our Zodiac. We are not altogether sure that Venus rules Taurus or that Mercury rules Virgo so there may be missing planets there. There is no real information on it and its nature.

 

[FraterAC]

There is no real information on it and its nature

Just what we can observe and intuit from our own work

 

[IMantra]

I've been tracking Eris before she was even named that. It was announced in 2005. I've done thousands of charts with it. Her and Pluto are enemies,... when announced, they dumped Pluto as a planet! Whats the difference? Pluto tries to get people to transform situations and clean it up. Eris just kills everything in sight ,.. when Rx she is "asleep" and things she's pulled tries to get fixed. If people are too terrified to even check the body after all this time,.. you are losing out.

 

[IMantra]

Just what we can observe and intuit from our own work

Are you kidding??? Do the charts!!!

 

[IMantra]

Eris is not widely accepted as a major planet for our Zodiac. We are not altogether sure that Venus rules Taurus or that Mercury rules Virgo so there may be missing planets there. There is no real information on it and its nature.

Sorry. Those of us that have checked it see it in action. Personal charts rather than event charts don't say too much- unless looking at the hell ride someone activating it in your chart is being seen.

 

[Nexus7]

I've been tracking Eris before she was even named that. It was announced in 2005. I've done thousands of charts with it. Her and Pluto are enemies,... when announced, they dumped Pluto as a planet! Whats the difference? Pluto tries to get people to transform situations and clean it up. Eris just kills everything in sight ,.. when Rx she is "asleep" and things she's pulled tries to get fixed. If people are too terrified to even check the body after all this time,.. you are losing out.

Can you give some examples of where Eris brings this kind of destruction?

 

[Old crone]

Much could be learned about Eris by delineating her discovery chart. It is easy to conflate her myth into some significant theme in a given chart. But like all planets, she has darkness and light and these threads can be unraveled thru her chart. Btw, I have Eris conjunct my Ascendant.