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I know you may think it silly and not the image you wish to portray....but has he seen you cry over him....? I'm sorry you are having such trouble, but as you say, last of the month he wished you to be with him (?). If you can busy yourself with other life situations and as time goes on (after the crossing of Pluto) things will heal I believe. Let it cool a bit before ensuing again to hash over the subject...be light and airy. The strong winds of Venus, Pluto and Sun will sextile will soon enough have an effect that will be soothing, give you the opportunity (sextile) to renew (Pluto is change) your concerns for him and as well, his anger presently. I guess I'm just a romantic but I see that passion will heal your hearts a flame of contrary and contradictions will not last.
 
Saturn conjunct Venus in his 5th house. Are you saying there is someone else?
Hi,

I'm sorry that it was not clear that I meant you being that Venus or love that he holds on to, yet is not around.

If it's not to blunt of a question, can I ask where you actually stand? What you want, from him, from this relation.

You're the Leo ascendant, Taurus Sun, Mars in Gemini and Pluto in Scorpio. So my guess, a general observation, is that usually you know very well what you want and are more then capable of expressing this desire. I can be wrong.

What I see in his chart is that Neptune is not just 'dreaming'. His Natal Mars opposite Neptune is activated by a Mars return. Mars in Cancer in itself can be a bit of a 'search for Mars' as Mars isn't very at home in the water.
Maybe that's also why in general Mars in aspect to Neptune can be harsh on the mental health.

Neptune in transit is aspecting his Asc and MC.

If you take the Mars return as some being-a-man issues, possibly coming into focus, you add the possibility for a temporary instability in the mental field and add to that a dissolving feeling around 'how to face' the world... there is a bit of the things he could be dealing with.
It adds up to the somewhat strong Saturn in his house of 'values, self value is there as well' a potentially blockage kind of energy there, in aspect to the MC as well and so also involved with the Neptune transit.

What he possibly needs is clarity, to find with and within himself.
That's why I'm asking about you as I don't really get a clear idea of what you want, apart from answers to questions and possibly being together on you guys 's birthdays.
It might be me that's not clear as others seem to feel you want to get back together.

In hopes you don't mind me asking, warm greets🍀
 
Hi,

I'm sorry that it was not clear that I meant you being that Venus or love that he holds on to, yet is not around.

If it's not to blunt of a question, can I ask where you actually stand? What you want, from him, from this relation.

You're the Leo ascendant, Taurus Sun, Mars in Gemini and Pluto in Scorpio. So my guess, a general observation, is that usually you know very well what you want and are more then capable of expressing this desire. I can be wrong.

What I see in his chart is that Neptune is not just 'dreaming'. His Natal Mars opposite Neptune is activated by a Mars return. Mars in Cancer in itself can be a bit of a 'search for Mars' as Mars isn't very at home in the water.
Maybe that's also why in general Mars in aspect to Neptune can be harsh on the mental health.

Neptune in transit is aspecting his Asc and MC.

If you take the Mars return as some being-a-man issues, possibly coming into focus, you add the possibility for a temporary instability in the mental field and add to that a dissolving feeling around 'how to face' the world... there is a bit of the things he could be dealing with.
It adds up to the somewhat strong Saturn in his house of 'values, self value is there as well' a potentially blockage kind of energy there, in aspect to the MC as well and so also involved with the Neptune transit.

What he possibly needs is clarity, to find with and within himself.
That's why I'm asking about you as I don't really get a clear idea of what you want, apart from answers to questions and possibly being together on you guys 's birthdays.
It might be me that's not clear as others seem to feel you want to get back together.

In hopes you don't mind me asking, warm greets🍀
He started talking about how he has trust issues. And some of the things I said to him makes him not able to trust me. And how he can’t get over certain things mentally. It’s like all of a sudden he just started saying all of this stuff. Then he goes on about how I can find someone better than him. I don’t get it I mean there is obviously something going on with him. He said he didn’t want to lead me on and that we shouldn’t be friends anymore.

How he’s trying to give me closure. But then he brings up how I treated him when he wanted me to be his girlfriend. And an about how after we argued I ran to the bar and flirted with the bartender. Then says we can be friends from a distance. That we might cross paths again in the future. But right now he wants me to find someone better. It’s just all so confusing. And this all after last month when he wanted to see me and talked about us spending our birthday together.

How I feel right now is that I want to be with him. It’s not just about us spending our birthday together. But because of all this I’m going to date other people.

During the summer he’s going to have transit Jupiter conjunct his Mars and Juno in the 7th house. And Mercury retrograde in his 7th house. I assume that’s just going to make things even worse for us?
 
Well Chil of Venus,

First of thank you for answering.

I feel for you because this is not on you, he is the one hurting and using blame and guild to keep you away. In effect to make room that he really needs. That is hurtful to you, it may also be adding to his own guild feeling either now or on the long run.

Unless you feel there is room to make him understand and activate him towards getting a bit of help, this is probably something you can't remedy. If this 'relation' were to continue you would probably be facing lots of jealousy from his part, that is seemingly ungrounded and every now and then you'd be confronted with really twisted ways of thinking. Like you described with your misunderstanding around all men disliking him because you choose him.

There can be many ways this has started.
What possibly could help him is talking openly to an older, more experienced man that is both really understanding what's happening and trustworthy in a way that is fitting to your man-friend.
He seems like an intelligent guy so maybe just a week of cutting wood or other physical labour in a natural setting may do the job.

In my opinion, that's just what it is though, most woman will either not get to him or some kind of mommy energy will prevail.

As for your last remark. With things how they are now, there is not really any logic to be applied to those transits as his situation is depending on how this thing that is coming up now is delt with. If it is, it can be a great transit, if not.... then maybe not.

I've based my thinking on some experiences and talks with several guys. In general this kind of insecurity is rather common. The world and ego's just don't always give space for being honest with one self as a man and what that can and should mean on an individual level.

On a positive note, I have seen good friendships develop when one of the parties moves on. Like you also mentioned.

Luck, love and strength to you Child of Venus!
 
Actually, although Mars in Cancer is in its Fall, it is also in its triplicity.
And Mars is co-ruler of Scorpio, a water sign.
Ah that's true. Fire is the only thing that will actually 'stop', make steam out of water.

Maybe looking at the fire elements in the / a chart may reveal how strong such a Mars is supported.

For this man, I was thinking some masculinity problems are showing. Relating that to Mars makes for the thought that the searching may be applying. As in actuality the many emotions may obscure the beam of fire that should shine bright anywhere in a healthy situation.

You are right however and I did not pick the chart apart in regards to the fire in there.
 
Well Chil of Venus,

First of thank you for answering.

I feel for you because this is not on you, he is the one hurting and using blame and guild to keep you away. In effect to make room that he really needs. That is hurtful to you, it may also be adding to his own guild feeling either now or on the long run.

Unless you feel there is room to make him understand and activate him towards getting a bit of help, this is probably something you can't remedy. If this 'relation' were to continue you would probably be facing lots of jealousy from his part, that is seemingly ungrounded and every now and then you'd be confronted with really twisted ways of thinking. Like you described with your misunderstanding around all men disliking him because you choose him.

There can be many ways this has started.
What possibly could help him is talking openly to an older, more experienced man that is both really understanding what's happening and trustworthy in a way that is fitting to your man-friend.
He seems like an intelligent guy so maybe just a week of cutting wood or other physical labour in a natural setting may do the job.

In my opinion, that's just what it is though, most woman will either not get to him or some kind of mommy energy will prevail.

As for your last remark. With things how they are now, there is not really any logic to be applied to those transits as his situation is depending on how this thing that is coming up now is delt with. If it is, it can be a great transit, if not.... then maybe not.

I've based my thinking on some experiences and talks with several guys. In general this kind of insecurity is rather common. The world and ego's just don't always give space for being honest with one self as a man and what that can and should mean on an individual level.

On a positive note, I have seen good friendships develop when one of the parties moves on. Like you also mentioned.

Luck, love and strength to you Child of Venus!
So you’re saying he’s looking for a mother figure? He did tell me he likes older women and I am six years older than he is. He does have a close relationship with his father. I feel like there is something else going on with him and it’s not only or maybe not even about me. I’m just going to give him some space and see what happens if I wait and reach out to him at a later time.
 
So you’re saying he’s looking for a mother figure? He did tell me he likes older women and I am six years older than he is. He does have a close relationship with his father. I feel like there is something else going on with him and it’s not only or maybe not even about me. I’m just going to give him some space and see what happens if I wait and reach out to him at a later time.
No I said much more then that and indeed about a mother-figure but that being not too good of a solution for him possibly. That he would be looking for that is not a shock persé.

I think your feeling is right and giving space is the way to go with this indeed ☺️
 
No I said much more then that and indeed about a mother-figure but that being not too good of a solution for him possibly. That he would be looking for that is not a shock persé.

I think your feeling is right and giving space is the way to go with this indeed ☺️
Now he’s upset because I told his family and his bestfriend that I love him. He really has some issues. Yeah I’m not going to contact him for awhile.
 
We had it out again today and I kept asking him why he was treating me like this. And why he was cutting me off. I told him that I wanted us to be together in the future. And I kept asking him to just be open to the possibility of us being together in the future. He said he wouldn't dismiss us being together in the future but that he needed to find his own way right now and that he doesn't want me to wait around for him. I don't know why he just didn't say this to begin with instead of pushing me away. So I'm going to date other people.
 
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