Need help here: child molester

[astrologer50]

Oh, sorry, I was wrong writthing, I mean Moon square Neptune tend to have a mental sick (schizophrenia).

I agree with Raven, I have moon opp Neptune. mental sickness I would first look to see what mercury was doing and/or neptune.

the mental illness link you posted was not in *english* so was useless for 99% of us here....

If you use our search feature, like google using keywords, you will see plenty of threads covering moon neptune aspects..

 

[Phil]

Thanks all. In any case, it is not as evident as I expected it would be.

 

[R4VEN]

As some other forum member stated earlier, your wife's chart would be the really interesting one, Phil. That is such a fascinating story!!

 

[Phil]

Here you go.....

 

[Lithuel]

Ah. Notice the Pluto-Chiron opposition there? Pluto - control, abuse, manipulation, power plays. Chiron - the abiding wound and how we can learn to heal others. Oppositions tend to be played out thru others until the person has incorporated it (your wife presumably played the Chiron to her stepfather's Pluto), but if your wife has now grown comfortable with the Pluto energy within herself, she would no longer need to play it out with others.

Also, the Sun and Mercury squared Neptune (and a pretty wide orb for Moon square Neptune). Neptune is the great dissolver, and it touches her Ego (Identity) and her Intellect in a hard aspect.

 

[R4VEN]

Good call, Lithuel.

I also draw attention to the Chiron inconjunct Sun - the sure sign of someone with the drive to bring their True Self into full expression, which more than often comes through the experience of a crisis which has the potential to damage the person's sense of self. In other words, using the heat of the fire to hone the true self into form.

Your wife deserves congratulations, Phil.

 

[Kannon]

This is the horoscope of a man who sexually abused his step-daughter from the age of 6 till the age of 16 when she went away from home.

What baffles me here, is that I would have expected a negative influence from pluto, but do not really see any signs pointing towards sexual abuse.
Only thing I found is a pretty exact venus quintile pluto aspect. Quintiles show in which area of life one is strong driven/obsessed. Pluto is also obsession, so I wonder if this could be an indicator... Never used quintiles before...
Anybody see something indicating sexual abuse? Thanks

Yes, I do see factors of potential sexual abuse in this chart, but first let's clear up some misconceptions you have. Quintiles do not relate to areas in which a person is strongly driven or obsessed. They are minor aspects relating to talent and creativity. You mentioned Pluto, correctly, but don't you think its position angular in the 7th house of relationships/others is significant to start with?

Pluto [19N56] is Parallel (P) Mars [20N41]. This aspect is every bit as strong as a conjunction.

 

[Phil]

Yes, I do see factors of potential sexual abuse in this chart, but first let's clear up some misconceptions you have. Quintiles do not relate to areas in which a person is strongly driven or obsessed. They are minor aspects relating to talent and creativity. You mentioned Pluto, correctly, but don't you think its position angular in the 7th house of relationships/others is significant to start with?

Pluto [19N56] is Parallel (P) Mars [20N41]. This aspect is every bit as strong as a conjunction.

Problem is that I do not have the time of birth. Anything relating to houses is speculation. I chose the time I did because it led to the quintile involving Pluto. So it might be right, but it might just as well not be right.... Actually, I am honestly just on a fishing expedition, trying to get an explanation for abberant behaviour.

Could you please explain by Pluto being parallel to Mars? Don't see it...

Thanks...

 

[Kannon]

Go back to astro.com where you got that chart and bring it up. Once you see it, click the link right above it "View the additional tables (PDF)". That will open up a pdf document which will show the declination positions (N or S of celestial equator) of every chart point.

 

[Phil]

Thanks, but for me personally declinations go too far. I already stretched things resorting to quintiles.

I have always had plenty of insight just using the the major aspects: conjunction, opposition, square, trine, sextile.

Just me, but I really don't want to resort to midpoints, declinations, harmonics, etc. Just too many parameters.

This man's horoscope is only the first one I have come across, which using my conservative approach, I am not satisfied with in respect to his child molestation, and I have done hundreds.

 

[Tanne]

Asc = Sag = Jupiter.
Jupiter in 8th - Death, Sex, Occult etc.
Jupiter in detriment ruled by Mercury.

Mercury in 4th - Home, Roots etc.
Also, 4th is 12th from 5th - Secrets, Isolation, etc.
Mercury is peregrine - ruled by Venus.

Venus in 4th (5 degree rule) - Home, Roots etc.
ALSO, 4th is 12th from 5th - Secrets, Isolation, etc.
Venus in detriment ruled by Mars.

Mars in 5th - Children, Passion, Speculation etc.
Mars is peregrine - ruled by Mercury.

Mercury ruled by Venus - loop closed.

Certainly evidence of:
Sex - home - children - home.

Of course, it could have worked out differently - everyone has free will.

 

[Phil]

Thanks, but as I mentioned, I am only guessing at his actual birth time. Have only the date... It might very well be... but that is why I did not take the houses into consideration...

 

[Tanne]

Sorry - I missed that. The time that you estimated certainly fits the story - even to Scorpio ruling the 11th - step children.

Mars - planet of sex is Mercury and in the term of Mercury. Mercury indicates youth. That in itself is not enough - many people will have that placement.

 

[theV]

Thanks, but for me personally declinations go too far. I already stretched things resorting to quintiles.

I have always had plenty of insight just using the the major aspects: conjunction, opposition, square, trine, sextile.

Just me, but I really don't want to resort to midpoints, declinations, harmonics, etc. Just too many parameters.

This man's horoscope is only the first one I have come across, which using my conservative approach, I am not satisfied with in respect to his child molestation, and I have done hundreds.

The declinations aspect are said to be taken seriously they act like conj and opp and yeah mars paralle pluto is big indicator

 

[ImNotThere9]

Would anyone care to explain this talk of Pluto pointing to such aberrant behaviour? Surely it was a particular aspect being referred to, and not a general emphasis on Pluto in the chart alone?

The comment occurs earlier in this thread, and it struck me as grievously misguiding.