Putin: White hat or villain?

[ElenaJ]

In Putin's natal Algol is square pluto and inconjunct mars.
In his progressed chart it still squares slow moving pluto, but also forms a Yod with sun (23 sag) and Saturn/neptune (23/25 libra).

 

[david starling]

Looks square to his MC/IC axis, also.

 

[Chrysalis]

With his 3rd ruler, Saturn exalted and in a tight square to Uranus, the major mental ruler, there are signs of insanity. Especially as Mercury/Neptune also forms a square with Uranus. Mercury will become his next time lord, revealing his insane nature and making him even more destructive, with his intentions becoming more radical and chaotic. He'll need to be in hiding all the time at this point, as he'll be despised by many more people than he is now, Mercury is in the 12th house which is the house of limitation and confinement.

He's not great with dealing with reality, with that Mercury/Neptune conjunction, so when the going gets tough, he will escape from it and not deal with it. When he knows he's gone too far, as his exalted Pluto and Sun in fall wouldn't let him back down, he'll retreat into his 12th house.

 

[Chrysalis]

With his activated Sun in fall in the 12th, this is making him even worse with regards to wanting "attention" and trying as hard as he can to prove himself. I mean if only his Sun was in detriment in Aquarius, he wouldn't be so inclined to prove himself and be going to extremes to do this.

Also, all of his Libra 12th house planets, including the Sun, are all afflicted by Uranus, so it's not just about him trying everything in his power to prove himself, to gain the utmost respect that he feels his Sun lacks; the affliction to Uranus is also making him suspicious and paranoid of others, which isn't helping his mental health.

 

[waybread]

There is some debate about Putin's actual birth time-- even his birth location and year. There is a summary of this on his page on the Astro-DataBank.

The chart's Rodden rating is DD. So let's keep in mind that the houses and even the moon's degree may be off.

If we assume a correct date and reasonably close location, I note that he has a bunch of quintiles in his chart. I think quintiles are an important aspect. I think they indicate talent plus the ambition to manifest it-- for good or ill.

In this chart we see:

sun Q Mars and Jupiter. (identity linked to aggression and expansion. Cf. Putin's judo qualifications)

Mars Q Jupiter.

There are more, but they depend on a correct birth time, like Pluto quintile ascendant.

Ditto for his Pluto conjunct MC.

 

[Opal]

With his activated Sun in fall in the 12th, this is making him even worse with regards to wanting "attention" and trying as hard as he can to prove himself. I mean if only his Sun was in detriment in Aquarius, he wouldn't be so inclined to prove himself and be going to extremes to do this.

Also, all of his Libra 12th house planets, including the Sun, are all afflicted by Uranus, so it's not just about him trying everything in his power to prove himself, to gain the utmost respect that he feels his Sun lacks; the affliction to Uranus is also making him suspicious and paranoid of others, which isn't helping his mental health.

We have a close Libra friend, who has a Libra Sun stellium in the 12th. He has many good qualities, but is his own worst enemy. His Mercury too is in the 12th, and in communication he regularly alienates people, with his self appointed superior intellect. Don't get me wrong, he really is a smart guy, but he rubs people wrong. Often using others ideas, as his own, checking to see if they will call him on it. Nobody's perfect
Just a thought.

 

[Frisiangal]

As commented upon in my post #15, discussion in this topic does appear to work on the assumption that the unknown, yet given birth time is correct. What if it isn't?
I am inclined to agree that current sec. progr. positions could prove the birth date is correct as, with current transits, the influence upon natal planets (excluding Moon) is the same.

Saturn exalted and in a tight square to Uranus, the major mental ruler, there are signs of insanity. Especially as Mercury/Neptune also forms a square with Uranus.

A current thought I had also with natal Sun involved, and my concern regarding the Jupiter-Neptune transit upon it if his actions work in a negative fashion to him. A super large refugee issue? There's a saying in my country that (approx. translation) 'a cornered cat will make rare springs'.
In his first speech for his reason for entering Ukraine the camera caught a moment in which I thought he definitely showed 'that far away look of exaltation' in his mind. Not surprised to see later the Mercury-Neptune in his chart.
Does he know/realise he is spreading lies about the reality of the current situation, or does he truly believe them to be true (Saturn-Neptune-Mercury quincunx Jupiter?)

I don't see 'A Scorpio Asc.' look in the eyes. The eyes are said to be the windows of the soul. Scorpio would suggest deep, dark, compelling eyes, wouldn't it?. He has small expressionless 'beady eyes' to my mind, a consequence of the Sun-Saturn conjunction? A Virgo Asc. with that Libra stellium in 1st house might apply?

I commented on the other site that I thought it so coincidental that a chart was offered with Pluto in 10th conjunct M.C. Was that the astrologer's personal judgement or based upon real (yet unverified) facts?
What if the Libra stellium was in the 8th house, with Capricorn on M.C and Cancer 'Mother Russia' on 4th house cusp? Or Libra in 5th house and Aquarius or Pisces on M.C? Could just as well be. The Fire trine between Mars and Pluto in Leo would still be as dominant, yet for other reasons than assumed by the DD chart.

Not all may be as it seems. (Black Moon Lilith infuence?)

My¼ cent.

 

[Opal]

Haha! Hi Fris!

My 1/4 cents worth!

I have Libra sun and mercury, and Scorpio venus and ascendant and Pluto conjunct the MC in the tenth.

It isn’t convenient, but I haven’t killed anybody yet!

 

[ElenaJ]

"I commented on the other site that I thought it so coincidental that a chart was offered with Pluto in 10th conjunct M.C. Was that the astrologer's personal judgement or based upon real (yet unverified) facts?"

If you calculate the chart for the presumed date and time of birth, Pluto is on the MH.

 

[Tham]

Two murder asteroids are right with Saturn
in his 12th house.

Tantalus is exact with Saturn.

Ixion is just two degrees away.

 

[blackbery]

Remember that he is a master strategist, the former head of the KGB who ahieved that position through hard work & proving himself to be a virtuoso in espionage.
He would not want his real dob out there.

There is no VERIFIED proof of his REAL DOB; in many instances, including hi own autobiography, he puts it as Oct 1st. Think that would put his which would be suitable for a spy, particularly if it makes connection with outer planets.

I mean, I don't agree with analyzing charts when you don't even know the correct year, day is correct but that's just me.




Born: October 1, 1952
Leningrad, Russia
Russian president



Vladimir Putin: Biography - Hello Magazinehttps://www.hellomagazine.com › Profiles
"I won't tell you," came the response. Born to factory worker parents in Leningrad (now St Petersburg) on October 1, 1952, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was ...
Read more: https://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Putin-Vladimir.html#ixzz7N72IIxZr

Putin (POO-teen) was born on October 1, 1952, in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), Russia. He is an only child. His father, a decorated war veteran, was a foreman in a metal factory. He died in August of 1999, the week his son was appointed prime minister of Russia. Putin's mother, who did not work outside the home, died a year and a half before that. Growing up in Leningrad, Putin lived with his parents in a communal apartment with two other families. Though religion was not permitted in the Soviet Union, his mother secretly had him baptized as an Orthodox Christian. He remains a practicing member of the Church and delivered a Christmas Eve speech in Moscow in 1999.

 

[ElenaJ]

Surely his DOB will be registered in the town records, no?

 

[david starling]

Remember that he is a master strategist, the former head of the KGB who ahieved that position through hard work & proving himself to be a virtuoso in espionage.
He would not want his real dob out there.

There is no VERIFIED proof of his REAL DOB; in many instances, including hi own autobiography, he puts it as Oct 1st. Think that would put his which would be suitable for a spy, particularly if it makes connection with outer planets.

I mean, I don't agree with analyzing charts when you don't even know the correct year, day is correct but that's just me.




Born: October 1, 1952
Leningrad, Russia
Russian president



Vladimir Putin: Biography - Hello Magazinehttps://www.hellomagazine.com › Profiles
"I won't tell you," came the response. Born to factory worker parents in Leningrad (now St Petersburg) on October 1, 1952, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was ...
Read more: https://www.notablebiographies.com/Pu-Ro/Putin-Vladimir.html#ixzz7N72IIxZr

Putin (POO-teen) was born on October 1, 1952, in Leningrad (now St. Petersburg), Russia. He is an only child. His father, a decorated war veteran, was a foreman in a metal factory. He died in August of 1999, the week his son was appointed prime minister of Russia. Putin's mother, who did not work outside the home, died a year and a half before that. Growing up in Leningrad, Putin lived with his parents in a communal apartment with two other families. Though religion was not permitted in the Soviet Union, his mother secretly had him baptized as an Orthodox Christian. He remains a practicing member of the Church and delivered a Christmas Eve speech in Moscow in 1999.

You can be SURE October 1 ISN'T his correct birthdate if Poo says it is!

 

[blackbery]

Has ANYONE ever gone to the town to check the birth records?

We had the same problem with Gen Michael Flynn for years, nobody could find his dob although the year was known. Finally, some person did a real investigation & go the correct dob.

Those who work in intelligence field will often cover up their dob.

Even in many biographies of Putin, they just list the year & nothing else.

If a dob cannot be verified, it is not considered reliable (dirty data it' called).

That's the case with Putin. That's why I've never analyzed his chart, what' the point when you could be working with a wrong dob.

But others can do so, that's up to them.

Surely his DOB will be registered in the town records, no?

 

[Tham]

In my earlier post, it is not Tantalus which is
exact with Saturn, but Ixion.


Nikola Stojanovic, the late Serbian astrologer,
emphasized the two worst degrees in astrology -

The 18th, the "devil or cursed degree"

The 22nd, the "kill or be killed" degree

"The 18th degree is the worst possible degree in astrology. It has
the energy of great illness and the WORST people in the world have
that degree very strongly somewhere in the horoscope. "

Saturn and Ixion are seconds away from the 18th.

Tantalus is one degree away. right in between them and Neptune.


Putin's Pluto is right at the 22nd, with his MC.

His birth time may be controversial, but that only affects the
placings in the houses, not the signs.

This guy is clearly a murderer.

 

[waybread]

I hope we're clear by now that Putin is no "white hat."

I read that KGB operatives were very careful about hiding their birth data. Which presumably they could do.

I don't know how Russia operates re: releasing birth data. In the US it varies by state, and some make it easy/or difficult for someone without a legitimate personal claim to a birth certificate to access it Some will recall the flap in 2016 about Hillary Clinton's TOB, when an astrologer essentially lied about having obtained it. Illinois does not release birth data to just anyone until the person reaches age 75, or example. So beware.

I assume that if Vladimir Putin does not want his birth data made public, he has the ability to suppress it.

Here is the Astro-DataBank chart for the founding of today's nation of Ukraine. It coincides with the collapse of the old USSR in 1991. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_Ukraine Obviously the Ukrainian ethnic group is much, much older.

 

[ElenaJ]

Interesting putting together the posts from Tham and Waybread.
In the Ukraine chart pluto just seconds away from the 18th degree and it is placed on the MH, like Putin's chart.
So do we understand from this that the Ukraine is murderous?

The exact lovely mercury/venus/jupiter conjunction of Ukraine is now taking a heavy hit from transiting Saturn, which will strengthen as Saturn proceeds.
It also opposes natal moon in the chart, which represents the People.
And of course, squares pluto on midheaven.
Transiting Neptune opposes natal mars, making it ineffective.

Strangely enough, Putin's expansive generous Jupiter of all things is exactly on the Ukraine IC of home and family.

Mars in the two charts is almost exactly square, they do irritate each other!
And transiting Neptune completes a T-square to them, making both mars impotent.

 

[blackbery]

He surely is a White Hat!!! Astrology cannot tell you that but his actions prove that he is working to save humanity. Brazil, Russia, India, South Africa, Saudi Arabia all working together to destroy the Nazi World Order.

Thank GOD for Putin/Trump & the Alliance (White Hats) or the NWO would have released a deadly pathogen from the Ukraine biolabs to murder millions of innocent peoples in their de-population agenda. has not been kind to these monsters; they are being systematically exposed & destroyed.

All we know for sure about Putin's chart is that he's a Likely too. He's all about negotiations, keeping the peace but he had to destroy the biolabs & expose the criminals who have been robbing & stealing from the Ukranian people for decades.

Ball is in Zelensky's court, he is moving towards Putin's side & recently came out & said that Ukraine will NOT join NATO.

Full Moon ahead. More secrets revealed about the Xiden Crime Family & Ukraine.

I hope we're clear by now that Putin is no "white hat."

I read that KGB operatives were very careful about hiding their birth data. Which presumably they could do.

I don't know how Russia operates re: releasing birth data. In the US it varies by state, and some make it easy/or difficult for someone without a legitimate personal claim to a birth certificate to access it Some will recall the flap in 2016 about Hillary Clinton's TOB, when an astrologer essentially lied about having obtained it. Illinois does not release birth data to just anyone until the person reaches age 75, or example. So beware.

I assume that if Vladimir Putin does not want his birth data made public, he has the ability to suppress it.

Here is the Astro-DataBank chart for the founding of today's nation of Ukraine. It coincides with the collapse of the old USSR in 1991. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_Ukraine Obviously the Ukrainian ethnic group is much, much older.

 

[waybread]

Blackbery and Elena, at some point the truth is going to hit you, and it won't be pleasant. There is no "Nazi World Order." Under Putin's direction, Russia is bombing Ukraine indiscriminately. Something 3 million refugees have left Ukraine, mostly to protect the lives of Ukrainian children. He's no "white hat."

With a DD Rodden rating on his horoscope, it's hard to say what the future will bring for Putin-- or eastern Europe. But it is important to remember that Putin's suppression of freedom of the press means you cannot trust Russian propaganda.

The majority of Republicans in Congress are pro-Ukraine. You cannot call all of them RINOS.

 

[waybread]

Interesting putting together the posts from Tham and Waybread.
In the Ukraine chart pluto just seconds away from the 18th degree and it is placed on the MH, like Putin's chart.
So do we understand from this that the Ukraine is murderous?

Absolutely not. Putin's chart is rated Rodden DD. There is no birth time for him, so any suggestion that his Pluto conjuncts his MC is based upon speculation. (aka chart rectification)

The Ukrainian republic birth time of 1991 is rated Rodden AA.

The exact lovely mercury/venus/jupiter conjunction of Ukraine is now taking a heavy hit from transiting Saturn, which will strengthen as Saturn proceeds.
It also opposes natal moon in the chart, which represents the People.
And of course, squares pluto on midheaven.
Transiting Neptune opposes natal mars, making it ineffective.

Strangely enough, Putin's expansive generous Jupiter of all things is exactly on the Ukraine IC of home and family.

Expansive, yes-- in the sense of territorial land grabs. There is nothing "generous" about Putin's indiscriminate bombing of the Ukraine. If we assume his birth date is correct and just forget about a rectified birth time, Putin is a very ambitious individual, with his natal sun quintiling Mars (aggression) and Jupiter (expansion.) This aggressive expansion is further reinforced by Putin's Mars quintile Jupiter.

Mars in the two charts is almost exactly square, they do irritate each other!
And transiting Neptune completes a T-square to them, making both mars impotent.

Not impotent: clashing.