Putin: White hat or villain?

[beccaglass]

president putin once again using his libra charm and potent fixed stars mercury spica, arcturus to tell the truth and sway even more of the world towards his cause. the dishonest media portray him in a dark light but he's a man of the people who will defend russia against the corrupt western world. his speeches are becoming legendary which you would expect with stars which bestow honor & fame.


Putin:
We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms. And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis. There are no other options. The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West. The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain. Direct intervention by NATO's European armies will not change the outcome. But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe. It looks like the US is ready for that too.
‘We Have No Need To Push #NuclearButtons’ - #Putin
"Everybody expects us to start pushing these nuclear] buttons, but we have no need to.
Our adversary is failing on the frontline,"
Russian President Putin said during the #SPIEF2023 plenary session.


#NoNATOnoWar

 

[beccaglass]

president putin well respected by non-nato, non-western nations. with his sharp libra negotiation skills, mercury saturn planning, he is building a formidable pack of trading partners which will make eu irrelevant. he is the leader of the pack, due to his dogged determination to never allow the military usa conglomerate to take over his country which he has built into a world superpower, equal to china and american military might.
mars in harmony with powerful pluto validates his extraordinary vision to achieve what he sets out to do. nothing can stop putin on his mission.
while the west continues to slur his name, slander him daily, the vast majority of the world continues to pour accolades & approval upon him, they treat him like royalty because he has done so much for countries who are against the usa domination over weaker countries through war & intimidation. america is the bully in the room & putin is kicking them in the nuts.

 

[david starling]

Putin's the vicious bully. Good thing Ukraine is fighting back, despite all the death and destruction Putin is causing.

Venus in Scorpio is a challenging placement, especially with Pluto in Leo ruling a Scorpio Asc, and trining Mars in fiery Sagittarius.

Putin has completely given in to the worst of its characteristics. He lacks a conscience, most likely because of the psi-ops training he received as a young KGB agent of the former Soviet Union.

 

[JUPITERASC]

president putin once again using his libra charm and potent fixed stars mercury spica, arcturus to tell the truth and sway even more of the world towards his cause. the dishonest media portray him in a dark light but he's a man of the people who will defend russia against the corrupt western world. his speeches are becoming legendary which you would expect with stars which bestow honor & fame.

President Putin is not a comedian - President Putin has a sense of humor
& also doesn't dance naked wearing high heel shoes

PUTIN TRANSITING SATURN TETRAGON NATAL MARS

Putin: We were forced to try to end the war that the West started in 2014 by force of arms. And Russia will end this war by force of arms, freeing the entire territory of the former Ukraine from the United States and Ukrainian Nazis. There are no other options. The Ukrainian army of the US and NATO will be defeated, no matter what new types of weapons it receives from the West. The more weapons there are, the fewer Ukrainians and what used to be Ukraine will remain. Direct intervention by NATO's European armies will not change the outcome. But in this case, the fire of war will engulf the whole of Europe. It looks like the US is ready for that too.

the new "..freedom.." for the few
comes with a corresponding loss of freedom for the many
related to the way we address one another
according to the gender mood of the person addressed
Poland must love Gay Pride, or America will punish them
The US ambassador's message is the US is all gay.
Warsaw’s president is interested mainly in lgbtq+ and much less in his city.
Shops are closing,streets are dirty, etc but he puts rainbows near churches, and leads parades
people worldwide are having to walk for miles to fetch bug ridden water,
no food/ no way to plant food
and, no money to educate children
but, somehow, lifestyle/sexulaity is a priority

‘We Have No Need To Push #NuclearButtons’ - #Putin
"Everybody expects us to start pushing these nuclear] buttons, but we have no need to.
Our adversary is failing on the frontline,"
Russian President Putin said during the #SPIEF2023 plenary session.

#NoNATOnoWar

 

[Larri]

Not sure if I'm just getting dizzy!
Various sites give 1952 as the birth year, at 9:30am.
And in fact, the chart I posted at the beginning of the thread is precisely this chart.
So it should be the correct one.
Which brings us back to square one, with the question "How does this chart fit the image we have of a brutal, dictatorial, ambitious invader of Ukraine"?

One link we do have here is scorpio ascendent, and Russia is a scorpio country, so he is very closely tied to the Patria.

Also, we know of his wealth and love of luxury, and that also fits a Venus/jupiter opposition, especially with Jupiter in materialistic taurus.
Jupiter in 7th is the house of the Public, the People, and he has stated he is doing this to unite his country as Ukraine is part of Russia.

Is it Lilith that is wrecking havoc with his MH and reputation?
Is he in reality (contrary to all the terrible bombing scenes we are seeing in these days), a white hat?

I’ve watched Putin since he came to power with a sense of dread. He was born, if the Libra 1952 chart is correct, 4 months before I was (with an Aqua Sun.) I too have a Scorpio Asc, Pluto and the SN very close to the MC in Leo and an 8th house Gemini moon. I’m a therapist not a political leader, but I get his capacity to sense underlying motivations, suss out secrets and devise strategies. I certainly know the potential for use and misuse of power with Pluto on the MC. Watch out for his BML it’s unlikely to be working constructively with the power of the goddess, more likely to be motivated by less than conscious fear, rage and revenge given his impoverished upbringing and a big sense of 17th century Russian patriotism. That Neptune conjunct Saturn in the 12th can be a challenge to bring the spiritual into form in Libra (relationships) or Neptunian grandiosity can overwhelm existing commonsense structures and set out to reform everything without consulting anyone! That intense patriotism and mistrust of others and misguided sense of his own importance, may be at the back of truely not seeing Ukraine as it is today, an independent nation. Combine the mega vision with the ruthlessness of Pluto in Leo on the MC and individual deaths are not important just as they were not for Stalin.
Another difference in our charts is that I have Mars conjunct Venus in Pisces whereas Putin’s Mars is in Sag trine that MC Pluto giving a desire for plenty of freewheeling warrior power and wealth. Argggh.

 

[ElenaJ]

I’ve watched Putin since he came to power with a sense of dread. He was born, if the Libra 1952 chart is correct, 4 months before I was (with an Aqua Sun.) I too have a Scorpio Asc, Pluto and the SN very close to the MC in Leo and an 8th house Gemini moon. I’m a therapist not a political leader, but I get his capacity to sense underlying motivations, suss out secrets and devise strategies. I certainly know the potential for use and misuse of power with Pluto on the MC. Watch out for his BML it’s unlikely to be working constructively with the power of the goddess, more likely to be motivated by less than conscious fear, rage and revenge given his impoverished upbringing and a big sense of 17th century Russian patriotism. That Neptune conjunct Saturn in the 12th can be a challenge to bring the spiritual into form in Libra (relationships) or Neptunian grandiosity can overwhelm existing commonsense structures and set out to reform everything without consulting anyone! That intense patriotism and mistrust of others and misguided sense of his own importance, may be at the back of truely not seeing Ukraine as it is today, an independent nation. Combine the mega vision with the ruthlessness of Pluto in Leo on the MC and individual deaths are not important just as they were not for Stalin.
Another difference in our charts is that I have Mars conjunct Venus in Pisces whereas Putin’s Mars is in Sag trine that MC Pluto giving a desire for plenty of freewheeling warrior power and wealth. Argggh.

Very interesting analysis, thank you.
Quite a harsh analysis of his aspects, or maybe just a scorpion way of expressing it.
What can be a negative can also be used as a positive.
The mars/pluto trine is actually a helpful, transformative aspect.
Astromatrix gives an interesting insight into this aspect.
"The energy and qualities released through the trine aspect can be quite beneficial and socially constructive"
https://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Mars-Trine-PlutoPluto in leo is not necessarily ruthless... you have it, and a whole generation of good people have it. It is regenerative and transformational.
Not sure about "neptunian grandiosity", I would think Neptune tends to shrink back and self doubt.
Putin is a complex personality. Good your reference to his background as a formative element.

 

[david starling]

Very interesting analysis, thank you.
Quite a harsh analysis of his aspects, or maybe just a scorpion way of expressing it.
What can be a negative can also be used as a positive.
The mars/pluto trine is actually a helpful, transformative aspect.
Astromatrix gives an interesting insight into this aspect.
"The energy and qualities released through the trine aspect can be quite beneficial and socially constructive"
https://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Mars-Trine-PlutoPluto in leo is not necessarily ruthless... you have it, and a whole generation of good people have it. It is regenerative and transformational.
Not sure about "neptunian grandiosity", I would think Neptune tends to shrink back and self doubt.
Putin is a complex personality. Good your reference to his background as a formative element.

The astrology chart cannot tell us whether one will use the abilities it portends for good or for ill. In Putin's case, he's manifesting the very worst of all its possible tendencies.

I'm reminded of serial killer Wayne Gacy's chart analysis by astrologers doing a cold reading. Most gave a glowing assessment based on the faulty assumption that the good tendencies would be predominant.

 

[JUPITERASC]

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men were snatched up - made to fight knowing the average soldier only lasts 2 weeks
that's what happens with corrupt leaders in one of the most corrupt nations in the world
Zelensky is not working with their best interests at heart, but serving his American masters

Ukrainian Soldiers SURRENDER To Russia,
Public Grows WEARY
There is a difference between bravery and stupidity!
Ukraine said they would do something spectacular during the spring offensive
& they’ve lived up to their promise. They are surrendering spectacularly

PUTIN TRANSITING SATURN TETRAGON NATAL MARS

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[beccaglass]

davidstarling posted
Putin's the vicious bully. Good thing Ukraine is fighting back, despite all the death and destruction Putin is causing.
Venus in Scorpio is a challenging placement, especially with Pluto in Leo ruling a Scorpio Asc, and trining Mars in fiery Sagittarius.
Putin has completely given in to the worst of its characteristics. He lacks a conscience, most likely because of the psi-ops training he received as a young KGB agent of the former Soviet Union.

any venus can be a challenging placement if in concert with other planets & their position. putin's venus is opposite jupiter which is a very benign aspect & quite positive & trines uranus which is not challenging but the opposite.it is a harmonious aspect, in love affairs we can say that putin enjoys a certain amount of freedom yet remains loyal which scorpio is known for. the clingy, jealous part of scorpio is tempered with uranus which rules freedom & liberation. an afflicted venus in scorpio can be a very bad thing but with putin, none of that applies.

we don't know if he has a scorpio ascendant as the correct time has never been verified. & mars in fiery sagittarius is a positive, not a negative. you will often find athletes or explorers or philosophers have this. i do believe putin has an advanced black belt in martial arts. he keeps in good shape, very disciplined. and his pluto in leo is in an exalted position with mars, bringing him that vision for russia to be the best it can be. he's achieved that goal, rising his country from the ashes of the former soviet union to one of the strongest economies in the world & on military par with china & united states.
you believe he lacks a conscience as you despite putin, everything you have posted about him is negative & biased. you can't even admit that his mercury conjunct the fixed stars makes his communication skills far above the average person. his speeches are deep & truthful & people are drawn to him because of that.his words are epic at times, right in line with spica & arcturus.
your astrology interpretations don't even consider how strong his chart is. you give him credit for nothing & criticize everything, even his chosen career. he came from humble background, became part of the kgb rising to the rank of director. that is a reflection of his diplomacy with his libra conjunctions & his focused mars pluto trine. from his position as head of the spy agency, he became involved in politics, eventually becoming the president of russia. a great achievement for a person not born with a silver spoon in his mouth. you do not agree with his decision to enter ukraine to defend his people & you are using your opposition to that to condemn him with very weak astrology & unfounded ideas. when you fail to recognize even the very good parts of his natal chart, you fail to call yourself an astrologer & have wandered into the realm of personal dislike & unable to be objective.

 

[david starling]

Beccaglass, for purposes of this thread, that's the chart. Do you disagree with his tropical Asc. sign being in Scorpio? His appearance fits it, imo.

 

[beccaglass]

larri posted
I’ve watched Putin since he came to power with a sense of dread. He was born, if the Libra 1952 chart is correct, 4 months before I was (with an Aqua Sun.) I too have a Scorpio Asc, Pluto and the SN very close to the MC in Leo and an 8th house Gemini moon. I’m a therapist not a political leader, but I get his capacity to sense underlying motivations, suss out secrets and devise strategies. I certainly know the potential for use and misuse of power with Pluto on the MC. Watch out for his BML it’s unlikely to be working constructively with the power of the goddess, more likely to be motivated by less than conscious fear, rage and revenge given his impoverished upbringing and a big sense of 17th century Russian patriotism. That Neptune conjunct Saturn in the 12th can be a challenge to bring the spiritual into form in Libra (relationships) or Neptunian grandiosity can overwhelm existing commonsense structures and set out to reform everything without consulting anyone! That intense patriotism and mistrust of others and misguided sense of his own importance, may be at the back of truely not seeing Ukraine as it is today, an independent nation. Combine the mega vision with the ruthlessness of Pluto in Leo on the MC and individual deaths are not important just as they were not for Stalin.
Another difference in our charts is that I have Mars conjunct Venus in Pisces whereas Putin’s Mars is in Sag trine that MC Pluto giving a desire for plenty of freewheeling warrior power and wealth. Argggh.

putin's time of birth is not verified. your analysis is deeply rooted in bias. you have attributed traits to him which don't exist & which you made up & not supported by any legitimate astrology. what is wrong with russian patriotism? we need more countries to be proud of who they are. that is more likely attributed to his sun saturn neptune conjunction which prefers the old traditions, the old ways, the idealistic vision of how russia should be. he is extremely popular with the russians, around 85% approvals which most world leaders would die for. putin did it by protecting his country & his people & bringing russia's economy to the top. that's the outcome of a focused and strong mars pluto in leo. freewheeling warrior power? what does that even mean? he likes having power because of all the good he can do to his people & his nation. if only more world leaders put their own countries first, there wouldn't be such poverty & homelessness in western world. & i'm sure he loves wealth, who doesn't. to pretend that money doesn't count in this world is ludicrous, we all dream about finanical abundance. putin did it all by his lonesome, ever thought about that? takes a very special person to rise out of humble beginnings like he did & work his way to the top, using the attributes suggested by his natal chart.

 

[beccaglass]

ds posted
Beccaglass, for purposes of this thread, that's the chart. Do you disagree with his tropical Asc. sign being in Scorpio? His appearance fits it, imo.

yes, i totally disagree. i only deal in reality, not personal biases. he could be any rising sign to me except leo as that one you can usually tell because of the hair prominence. libra is another one that i can usually determine correctly because of the charm & beauty that hits you right in the face. as for the others, nobody can guess what anyone's rising sign is accurately.

 

[beccaglass]

my daughter has a scorpio ascendant as do millions of people. what of it? even if putin's rising sign is scorpio, that means nothing.

 

[david starling]

my daughter has a scorpio ascendant as do millions of people. what of it? even if putin's rising sign is scorpio, that means nothing.

Seems like an Asc. in Scorpio must mean something, compared to other Asc. placements.

 

[Lin]

Yes, ghastly\.

First, I hate to avoid the natal chart to judge someone....but this is an exception.

Also...I hate to take the easy way out...but..here it is...

"Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.''

He is a Monster.

LIN

 

[Larri]

Very interesting analysis, thank you.
Quite a harsh analysis of his aspects, or maybe just a scorpion way of expressing it.
What can be a negative can also be used as a positive.
The mars/pluto trine is actually a helpful, transformative aspect.
Astromatrix gives an interesting insight into this aspect.
"The energy and qualities released through the trine aspect can be quite beneficial and socially constructive"
https://astromatrix.org/Horoscopes/Planet-Aspects/Mars-Trine-PlutoPluto in leo is not necessarily ruthless... you have it, and a whole generation of good people have it. It is regenerative and transformational.
Not sure about "neptunian grandiosity", I would think Neptune tends to shrink back and self doubt.
Putin is a complex personality. Good your reference to his background as a formative element.

Yes thanks for comment Elena. I agree Mars trine Pluto has enormous transformational power. As well being in Sag and Leo as displaying his well known machismo! Putin did, of course bring some order and economic stability to Russia after the chaos of the Yeltsin years, and to the former Soviet areas that stayed within the Russian Federation. I believe he really is a patriot though mega wealth and self aggrandisement along the way is also OK by him. There is no doubt he has tried to bring well-being to areas he rules, but rule he does.
Pluto in Leo, as all my generation expresses, has been very much about what is mine to express, often without regard to what went immediately before. Think of 1968! Whether that has resulted in good outcomes or otherwise varies according to the native. Putin, like I myself, was born toward the end of this generation, but the sense of being a leader, even having an obligation to lead in some way, with that Pluto on the MC is quite strong. I’m sure he feels destined to restore
“Greater Russia.”The irony is that Catherine the Great, whom he seems to want to emulate, was German. The greatness of Russia, as I see it lies in its culture, its extraordinary legacy of literature, folklore, art, psychology, music, dance and science, not in the will to rule vast territories.
And yes, the Neptune Saturn conjunction can bring uncertainty because of Neptune’s well known tendency to dissolve form, but Putin’s Sun is there and remember the sextile to Pluto. I feel he has allowed his personality to be overcome by an archetype,(Neptune) which is being expressed in a way that belongs to the past, and is destructive now in the 21st century. I also feel his religious impulses are real but very bound up with the political importance of the Russian Orthodox Church. Venus is transiting all those Leo positions including Lilith, perhaps the great Madonna archetypal power of compassion may yet break through.

 

[beccaglass]

davidstarling posted

Seems like an Asc. in Scorpio must mean something, compared to other Asc. placements.

no, of course, you are correct, the ascendant does mean something to the native's chart. but it's more how that person is perceived by the outside world rather than their own inner characteristics. for instance, we can tell when somebody has a leo ascendant as their hair is their main feature, like the mane of a lion. not always but i have noticed this pattern with rising sign in leo. they are always fussing with their hair. but this leo rising has no real bearing on who they are. the ascendant describes the physical traits of a person & how they are perceived. whether putin has scorpio ascendant or not is not important that's all i meant to say. like i said, my daughter has a scorpio asc & is extremely psychic, she can sense what is coming, like a radar almost. if putin has scorpio there, he probably is very intuitive too. think you would have to be to be a spook, they are very cunning but that's part of their job. it's wrong to judge anyone by what their rising sign is. & it's really only relevant if they have planets in tight conjunction. my guess would be that putin has a virgo ascendant; he's very health conscious. introduced legislation back in 2016 to ban all gmo foods in russia. doesn't drink or smoke, very disciplined in his diet & hygiene, don't know if he's a vegan but wouldn't surprise me. again, i have no idea what his ascendant is & i'm probably wrong, most people are when they guestimate.

 

[beccaglass]

larri posted
“Greater Russia.”The irony is that Catherine the Great, whom he seems to want to emulate, was German. The greatness of Russia, as I see it lies in its culture, its extraordinary legacy of literature, folklore, art, psychology, music, dance and science, not in the will to rule vast territories.
And yes, the Neptune Saturn conjunction can bring uncertainty because of Neptune’s well known tendency to dissolve form, but Putin’s Sun is there and remember the sextile to Pluto. I feel he has allowed his personality to be overcome by an archetype,(Neptune) which is being expressed in a way that belongs to the past, and is destructive now in the 21st century. I also feel his religious impulses are real but very bound up with the political importance of the Russian Orthodox Church. Venus is transiting all those Leo positions including Lilith, perhaps the great Madonna archetypal power of compassion may yet break throug

it's good that you are more even-handed with the astrology in putin's chart but just wanted to clear up your comment about catherine the great. putin has never admired or even expressed one word in support of catherine the great. however, he has written about & spoken at length at his admiration for peter the great. do you understand the difference? and do you know why putin admires peter the great & wants to emulate his vision for russia? putin's saturn is very well placed, both in conjunction with sun, neptune & trine his north node. he is old-fashioned, he admires the past but for good reason. peter the great wanted to make russia great (where have we heard that before?). he was a nationalist like putin who put russia & the russian people first. this neptune idealism of putin's has enabled him to literally make russian one of the world super powers, both with the military & now the russian economy, which is surpassing all western economies. putin's negotiating skills puts him up there with the great diplomats. who else could have gathered 20 plus countries to enter into a very important trading bloc to bypass the federal reserve banking cartel. brics now comprises over 2/3 of the world's population & eventually every country will join. this is saturn which moves slowly but surely.
putin's great admiration for peter the great does not encompass his wife who he never spoke about, once again, you just attribute wrong facts to putin. as for your comments about his religious impulses, you know nothing about his great devotion to the russian clergy & his sense of morality guided by godly principles. while the west has fallen to sodom & gommoreah, putin's russian is a shining example of god, family & country & he is known for his devotion & protection of the russian orthodoxy. mars in sagittarius trine pluto in leo strength of convictions.

Peter the Great​

Peter the Great was a Russian czar in the late 17th century, who is best known for his extensive reforms in an attempt to establish Russia as a great nation.

Peter the Great was a Russian czar in the late 17th century who is best known for his extensive reforms in an attempt to establish Russia as a great nation. He created a strong navy, reorganized his army according to Western standards, secularized schools, administered greater control over the reactionary Orthodox Church and introduced new administrative and territorial divisions of the country.

Peter inherited a nation that was severely underdeveloped compared to the culturally prosperous European countries.

Sweeping Changes​

Peter focused on the development of science and recruited several experts to educate his people about technological advancements. He concentrated on developing commerce and industry and created a gentrified bourgeoisie population. Mirroring Western culture, he modernized the Russian alphabet, introduced the Julian calendar and established the first Russian newspaper.
Peter was a far-sighted and skillful diplomat who abolished Russia's archaic form of government and appointed a viable Senate, which regulated all branches of administration, as well as making groundbreaking accomplishments in Russia's foreign policy.

Peter the Great's significance in Russian history is difficult to overestimate. Books about the "Tsar Reformer" continue to be written to this day, and we will hardly be able to describe here all of his many accomplishments and achievements. Peter the Great (whom the Russians generally call Peter I - Pyotr Pervy) is beloved in Russia, and all the more so in St. Petersburg, where he is rightfully lauded as the Founder of the City, and honored with numerous memorials.
http://www.saint-petersburg.com/royal-family/peter-the-great/

 

[beccaglass]

lin posted
He is a Monster
LIN

got any astrology or facts or evidence of such a statement? or just spouting off your personal opinion? you get that this is not a blog for putin haters? it's about astrology. your comments are about as helpful in deciphering putin's chart as a wolf guarding a flock of sheep.

 

[david starling]

lin posted
He is a Monster
LIN

got any astrology or facts or evidence of such a statement? or just spouting off your personal opinion? you get that this is not a blog for putin haters? it's about astrology. your comments are about as helpful in deciphering putin's chart as a wolf guarding a flock of sheep.

An astrology chart, no matter how accurate, CANNOT predict whether the native will fulfill its potentials for good or for ill. This isn't a cold-reading of an unknown person.

Putin is manifesting the WORST of his chart's potentials for reasons outside of what it can tell us about him. A monster with any other chart would still be a monster. However, the METHOD to his madness CAN be seen in the OP's chart we're using for Putin on this thread, especially the chart-ruler Pluto in Fire-sign Leo trining Mars in Fire-sign Sagittarius.

Btw, this isn't about hating Putin, it's about hating the NEEDLESS death and destruction Putin has unleashed upon the World, and his terrifying threats of nuclear war, like those of his fellow monster, Kim Jong Un, dictator of N.Korea.

A monster is as a monster does, regardless of that monster's date and TOB.