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I am by no means as old as you are Ancar (currently going through my first Saturn Return) but I share your sentiments. I have my doubts of an afterlife and have lost my connection to the transcendent.

Because of that, I don't give a toss about my obligations to "karmic duty". I am not a menace to society, but generally my views can be summed up as, nothing is true and everything is permitted.

This despite the fact that I went through two "near death" experiences although not to the extent of losing consciousness.
We need our skeptical Sagittarians! Keepin' it real.
 
Tropical Moon's in Capricorn. Get those chores done, or at least get them started.
That Tropical Moon just conjoined my Chiron in the 12th House and squared my Saturn in the 8th. And it's headed for a square to my Chironeclipse-damaged Neptune (my most dominant planet - the Solar Eclipse was an EXACT opposition to my Neptune). I still feel the aching loss of my cherished ability to escape into fantasy, which has saved me all my life, from my abusive childhood, to an old age of profound Weltschmerz.

There will be no chores done nor started. There will likely be nothing done for a very long time.
 
But I bet you, even really knowledgeable spiritual people, want to help people, not only because they want to genuinely help, but because they know that they will be rewarded.... So we all have our hypocrisies.
Hypocrisies? Perhaps too harsh a judgement.
  • Wanting to help another person because you really care about them - and also having a belief that such behavior may be rewarded - is not hypocrisy.
  • Wanting to help another person - not so much because you care about them but more because you expect to be rewarded for it - is hypocrisy.
One's primary motive behind their action determines whether it is hypocrisy.
I fear leaving alone the helpless one that still needs me.
This line particularly struck me.
I would love for you to elaborate on that. Why did it strike you?

The helpless one is a little kitten given to me - perhaps wrongly, considering my age - when my old cat buddy died (who was literally the very last family I had). She's loving, playful, and vulnerable. I certainly expect no reward for caring for a cat except the pleasure of her delightful company, nor for making sure that she is taken care of after I'm gone. It's simply because I love her.

Pardon, but I have a mean Capricorn Moon stalking through my 12th House, insulting my other planets, so I've got to go...
 
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Folks, I had completely ignored this thread until a report of an off-topic post from a member meant a mod had to deal with it. The thread is now on my "alerts" ,so I've been reading it since then, and I've been really impressed at the level of conversation. Before it completely shifts from the Big Picture to some other topic, I thought I'd add my 2c. I claim no originality or correctness, just pieces from different sources, such as the Jane Roberts Seth books, and the Bible.

1. Empty space is the essential Matrix. Matrix here means simply that which surrounds us and is within us. Nothing more. There is far more space within the atoms that make up matter than there is within matter. Whatever content empty space may contain, it is not the content.

Empty space is omnipresent.

2. One way to center and let go of life's daily chatter is to simply relax and experience the empty space within you and around you. Spend time with it and as it. Focusing on one's breathing is helpful but not essential. If your mind wanders, gently bring it back to experiencing the Matrix of empty space. Notice if feelings of buoyancy result. I repeatedly lose this sense of empty space, but it's not so hard to get it back by just making time to experience it.

3. If Divine Consciousness (God, All-That-Is, Chi, Qi, by whatever name) is omnipresent, then it partakes of this infinite empty space. If Divine Consciousness is omnipresent, then each of us is part of what this Divine Consciousness is. What we call the soul is a portion of this Divine Consciousness.

4. Physicists, theologians, and philosophers grapple with the question of why there should be something in this empty space of the universe, rather than nothing. I can't answer that question. One theory is that "nothingness" would be inherently unstable, because there would be no physical laws to structure it. Presumably leading to the possibility of something to exist. What I can do is observe what happens in empty space in Earth's history, which overall has been a trend (however oscillating) towards greater diversity, differentiation, and creativity. Each of us as a unique individual is, by definition, an expression of diversity, differentiation, and creativity. Some creativity is beneficial to others, some is not; but harmful behavior is nonetheless an expansion of creativity.

5. The horoscope has a lot to say about the creative aspect of a human life. I don't mean this necessarily in an artistic sense, but as the variegated project that is one's life.

6. Divine Consciousness is associated with enormous creativity. From a more secular standpoint, it is Zoe, the Greek word for the life principle. That the Bible begins with an enumeration of God's creative acts says something about how God was anciently conceptualized. So there is this boundless Matrix of empty space, coterminous with both the Life Principle and creativity more generally.

6. If the soul is part of what an omnipresent Divine Consciousness is, then the soul is indestructible, whatever temporary material packaging it may take on.

7. One interpretation of the Hindu greeting "Namaste" is, "I respect the divine in you," with the understanding that, with an omnipresent Creator, the greeter equally has a divine ground-of-being. Human inventiveness has taken us a long way from that simple greeting, but it's worth getting back into social interactions.

Namaste, y'all.
 
It's been written that once initiated into the Eleusinian Mysteries the initiates never again feared death.
I worry about all the loose ends I will leave behind, and having to relearn everything I've been given to learn in this life over again, in another life, from scratch (which is a fear I think is unfounded), but that's it.
At this point, transition is not an abstract concept.
I am not claiming to be an Eleusinian initiate.
If we're busy doing what we need to do right now (and I'm not talking about emptying the trash can), the future, whatever it may be, is not a worry.
Our connection to the transcendent is not, is never, at risk. That is not possible. It's just a matter of orientation, which is under our control.
 
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Hi, Pooh Bear. I'm glad you posted this! I consider it a great question, and I'd like to share my experience and "take" on it.

I absolutely believe that our birth charts are a reflection of our past karma. Everything I've gone through in life is clearly there in my birth chart.

The "greats" in the field of reincarnation, e.g., Edgar Cayce, usually say that we, in our soul form, wait to be reborn at a chosen time when the planets, etc., are in appropriate configurations for a life that we should live in order to reap good karma and/or to pay bad karma.

"Paying bad karma" isn't simply "punishment" - it is more practical education (as opposed to theoretical or superficial). It's the experiential development of more profound understanding of others' suffering, and thus of greater empathy and love for others. We choose when and whether to learn by experiencing difficulties in life which we have been ignorant of, insensitive to, and unjustly critical of.

Material experience seems to be the only way that most souls can learn these things. If you haven't suffered it yourself, you can't really comprehend it.

I personally can remember much of my life previous to this one (I have since I was a child), and I know for certain that I am living the karma (both good and bad) that I myself "earned" then, and probably in earlier lives. This is the one perspective that I think has kept me sane when life has gotten very hard, and I've had an extremely hard life this time - I know why I'm going through these ordeals.

I know without any doubt that I had often been cold, cruel and selfish. And as a soul, I chose this time to learn greater empathy and to make amends for the suffering I had caused. This lifetime I "signed up for very hard courses" that I very much needed to master in order to graduate as a better, more empathetic soul. There is no unfair difficulty, no unjust struggle - it is always for a reason, for a goal, for that "PhD".

Cayce and most others warn that we will earn more "bad karma" for ourselves if we see others suffering and just say "they earned it". (This is unfortunately what has corrupted many South Asian concepts of karma.) We are meant to help those we can in their grueling learning process just as we need help in ours. This reciprocation of love furthers our growth as souls. And we feel more genuine respect and love for ourselves as a result. The golden rule: Love others as you love yourself. So if you can't respect and love yourself, you are unable to truly love anybody else!

Many theorize that souls who do not choose to grow may continue to reincarnate and live evil lives. But they are separating ("unplugging") their souls from the Great Source (God, Brahman, Higher Power, Divine Creator, Mind of the Universe...) until their souls are eventually depleted of spiritual energy. At some point, when their physical body dies, their soul (if it even still exists) dies with it. They will no longer exist as an entity. I doubt if Hitler's soul still exists...and I suspect that some very famous souls incarnated today might have the same fate in store.
Hmmm.

I think that “Hitler” would have to come back.

Some say, that for the human race to evolve, we need for all to reach a positive consciousness collectively to make it.

Sounds implausible.

But, that said Hitler would have to atone in his next life for his crimes. The feel, from whatever it was I read, probably Schulman, Karmic Nodes, was that he would start from worse beginnings, to try to excel from his past life to a higher plateau.

Leomoon is a great source on Cayce too. Have you chatted with her about Cayce?
 
Hypocrisies? For me, maybe too simplistic and cynical.
  • Wanting to help another person because you really care about them, and also having a belief that such behavior may be rewarded, is not hypocrisy.
  • Wanting to help another person only because you expect to be rewarded for it IS hypocrisy.
Primary intent is everything.

I would love for you to elaborate on that. Why did it strike you?

The helpless one is a little kitten given to me - perhaps wrongly, considering my age - when my old cat buddy died (who was literally the very last family I had). She's loving, playful, vulnerable. I certainly expect no reward for caring for a kitten, nor for making sure that she is taken care of after I'm gone. It's just that I love her.

Pardon, but I have a mean Capricorn Moon stalking through my 12th House, insulting my other planets, so I've got to go...

Well, in my earlier post, when I said that ‘it isn’t out of the goodness out of heart’ that I try to be kind to people or do good deeds, because that would mean I am completely self-serving and selfish.

What I meant was, I don’t think I would be as empathetic as I am, had it not been for the hardship I have faced in life.

So I was a little bit irked when you summed up my spirituality as ‘karma 101,’ juts because I admitted a level of selfishness involved.

Put it this way, I was born with an innate sense of compassion, that I became a vegetarian at age 9, which is the age my mum gave up trying to force me to eat meat. That level of compassion from such a young age is a past life gift or something.

I’m not going to pretend that I do everything out of the goodness of my heart, I do it because pain has humbled me and I am aware of the consequences.

And I think it’s important to note that humans need a good ass-whooping to keep their ego in check.

I think spritual people have tough childhoods because the pain opens the door to compassion.

That’s what I meant and I think that level of honest does not make me a beginners stage or ‘karma 101.’

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What did I mean when I said it struck me because you were worried to leave your loved ones behind when you die?

It struck at my heart strings I meant.

I’m relatively young, and I appreciate being around older people on this forum, because people are processing death here at a level that I normally would not get insight into.

Not that people openly discuss how they feel about the ‘final curtain call,’ but just knowing people are going through it, gives me pause for thought.

I also think it struck me because I lost a parent young, so I think maybe I can relate to it, but from the other side.

I assumed you meant a wife, but you meant a cat. It doesn’t change its poignancy for me. I have 3 cats. I hope to god they die before me.

Life is a tough world for animals.

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I leave you with a video of a cat saving a toddler from two crocodiles. What’s funny is, one of the humans say something like, ‘wow, it’s almost like the cat is protective of the kid,’ which just shows how ignorant most humans are, to the depth of emotion that exists within animals.

It’s also impressive fighting skills for the cat —

Pet Cat saves Boy from two ‘gators
 
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Hmmm.

I think that “Hitler” would have to come back.

Some say, that for the human race to evolve, we need for all to reach a positive consciousness collectively to make it.

Sounds implausible.

But, that said Hitler would have to atone in his next life for his crimes. The feel, from whatever it was I read, probably Schulman, Karmic Nodes, was that he would start from worse beginnings, to try to excel from his past life to a higher plateau.

Leomoon is a great source on Cayce too. Have you chatted with her about Cayce?

I’ve looked into trying to get the Karmic Nodes book before but it must be very rare because I just checked again and it’s selling for £50 on Amazon :/

On another note, Jung said that Hitler was the best thing to happen to Germany, because he helped purge the collective unconscious.

That is also a good answer to the question, if anyone asks why God always allows evil to exist.
 
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I’ve looked into trying to get the Karmic Nodes book before but it must be very rare because I just checked again and it’s selling for £50 on Amazon :/

On another note, Jung said that Hitler was the best thing to happen to Germany, because he helped purge the collective unconscious.

That is also a good answer to the question, if anyone asks why God always allows evil to exist.
https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/Se...F-_-topnav-_-Results&kn=Schulman karmic&sts=t
Best I could find. Other than the PDF!😘

https://archive.org/details/karmicastrology00schu
 
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