Rectification Tips - Verifying Ascendant/Descendant/MC/IC angles

[JUPITERASC]

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[JUPITERASC]

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An accurate birth time is important.
Chart Rectification is a complex process
where the birth chart is “..re-engineered..” using significant life events as markers
to determine Ascendant - also known as Rising Sign.
Rectification is the process by which a chart is moved mathematically
in order to correspond to an accurate time of use
it can be thought of as reverse-engineering your birth chart down to the second.

A detailed introduction to birth chart rectification
which is used to find your birth time & Ascendant when it is otherwise unknown or uncertain.
Many techniques in astrology require an accurate birth time
and
this is why rectification can be crucial
or even necessary
for people who don't know what time they were born.

This video provides a pretty detailed introduction to the subject
- outlines our specific approach
which emphasizes how to find the correct rising sign
by using whole sign houses and some related techniques.





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[JUPITERASC]

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When Astrologers Don't Have an Exact Birth Time




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[Humanitarian]

btw this link provides more details regarding the whys and wherefores of "The Equation of Time" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equation_of_time

The following 100 word Extract focuses on the nub of the matter

"'Equation' is here used in a somewhat archaic sense, meaning "correction". Prior to invention of pendulum-controlled mechanical clocks, sundials were the only reliable timepieces, and were generally considered to tell the right time. Right time was essentially defined as that which was shown by a sundial. When good clocks were introduced, they usually disagreed with sundials, so the equation of time was used to "correct" their readings to obtain sundial time. Some clocks, called equation clocks, included an internal mechanism to perform this correction. Later, as clocks became the dominant good timepieces, uncorrected clock time was accepted as being accurate"

I think I'll use a corrected clock when I have a kid, because I want to know the real ASC of them and to easier understand them...

 

[Humanitarian]

If you have a range of time, you need to check the Sabian Symbols inside the time range of the birth time, then carefully examine it and rectify it to the exact ASC degree...

 

[JUPITERASC]

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OP of this thread states thread FOCUS IS ON THE SEVEN VISIBLE PLANETS

According to Richard Vetter

'.....Adjusting birth time by several hours
(not an unusual practice)
is an absurdity.
The thorough, imaginative rectifier
tends to construct adventurous theories about the process of certification.
Parents/relatives sometimes assist in producing such fantasies:
the longer the period of adjustment,
the more colorful are the myths
that get built around the circumstances of the birth....' Richard Vetter

Esteemed astrologer Robert Hand offers a natal chart rectification service

and states clearly:


'....It is critical to have the time of birth

If you do not know the exact time of your birth
or it was not recorded

we can rectify the time for an additional fee
however
rectification methods
are not as accurate and reliable
as some may believe.....'

Robert Hand http://www.arhatmedia.com/consultations.html

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[JUPITERASC]

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thanks to petosiris
for the following example rectification using THRASYLLUS method

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=894943&postcount=343

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?threads/hellenistic-delineations.43920/post-900794

 

[piercethevale]

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PRENATAL EPOCH FOR RECTIFICATION


The Prenatal Epoch
The primary principle of the Prenatal Epoch
has been stated by Max Heindel in The Message of the Stars
where he says that the body is the product of lunar forces
and that the position of the Ascendant, or its opposite, at birth
is the Moon's position at conception.

The keyword of the Moon is fecundation or fertility
We thus see that the Moon has primary influence
over the formation of the physical body
and that the Ascendant represents
merely the transference of the Moon's position from conception to birth.

While my mother has long since passed on and I can't get any confirmation of when I was conceived I have found that exactly 9 months prior to my birth, I.e. August 6, 1952, born May 6, 1953, that the moon was possibly conj. natal Moon which was at 24* Aquar, 02'. Mercury was exactly, and Venus almost exactly, conj. natal M.C. which is at 24* Leo 17' [definitely as to Mercury, and Venus one degree beyond, give or take a few minutes of a degree] and Mars exactly conj. my natal Asc. which is at 17* Scorpio 07'. The S. Node was within one degree of natal Pluto.

 

[lechedesierpe]

While my mother has long since passed on and I can't get any confirmation of when I was conceived I have found that exactly 9 months prior to my birth, I.e. August 6, 1952, born May 6, 1953, that the moon was possibly conj. natal Moon which was at 24* Aquar, 02'. Mercury was exactly, and Venus almost exactly, conj. natal M.C. which is at 24* Leo 17' [definitely as to Mercury, and Venus one degree beyond, give or take a few minutes of a degree] and Mars exactly conj. my natal Asc. which is at 17* Scorpio 07'. The S. Node was within one degree of natal Pluto.

While my mother has long since passed on and I can't get any confirmation of when I was conceived I have found that exactly 9 months prior to my birth, I.e. August 6, 1952, born May 6, 1953, that the moon was possibly conj. natal Moon which was at 24* Aquar, 02'. Mercury was exactly, and Venus almost exactly, conj. natal M.C. which is at 24* Leo 17' [definitely as to Mercury, and Venus one degree beyond, give or take a few minutes of a degree] and Mars exactly conj. my natal Asc. which is at 17* Scorpio 07'. The S. Node was within one degree of natal Pluto.

Trutis oh Hermes docet.

 

[JUPITERASC]

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Hi Jupiterasc,
I do not even remember how I came to look into POF's. Isaac or Jason were possibly discussing some sort of progressions relating to pregnancy but they were sort of time consuming. Juliet/Virgo Matrix, whom I really appreciated, was contributing a lot on the subjet. But rectification of TOB by the minute was still unattainable.
When I fell into it, I found it extraordinary to see on the two charts under scrutiny two objects, one on each chart, so close in degree and minute, only needing a few minutes adjustment and in certain cases even less than one minute.
Although I omitted it, it goes without saying that the matching object must be one amongst additional objecst, which move extremely fast.

The Prenatal Epoch
The primary principle of the Prenatal Epoch
has been stated by Max Heindel in The Message of the Stars
where he says that the body is the product of lunar forces
and that the position of the Ascendant, or its opposite, at birth
is the Moon's position at conception.

The keyword of the Moon is fecundation or fertility
We thus see that the Moon has primary influence
over the formation of the physical body
and that the Ascendant represents
merely the transference of the Moon's position from conception to birth.

Hello, trying some considerations after a long time I am out of it - since astro.com Forum was close. I was very active in this particular subject matter but it will take time for me to recover my notes. Still, rather than going round and round the garden I's suggest studying the person's chart. One point I found useful is the Trutine of Hermes to establish epoch time. Also, the mother's radix Moon; her radix/relevant Antiscia.

I have just retrieved a page from Astro.com archives, on the web: https://www.astro.com/forarch/pdf/1320240310.pdf
Lots to add, in time. ciao da viola

Hi all. I would just add that checking midpoints and antiscia has proven most helpful.
Please note that in time I have extended the study over the rest of my family members: nine altogether, adding more who could provide mother's certified TOB.

In more than one occasion I could forecast TOB. I remember the very first time this occurred: a friend of one of my daughters had started labouring at home and my daughter herself was frantic. She had rung me up asking...
I had the girl's data on my record and had already made calculations, so I said: don't worry. Time enough to reach the hospital. She won't deliver before h17m10... and guess what...
And this is not the only prediction I hit. Enjoy.

P.S.: Matching POF mother's new born and viceversa is a method I deviced myself for TOB rectification. It works.

BTW, I mean matching relevant POF at the very degree/minute with one of the other's natal chart object.

 

[lechedesierpe]

Ascendant

Hi Jupiter, I was mentioning POF for TOB rectification.
For epoch time I mainly check Moon, following the Trutin of Hermes.
The two, worked so many times that to me they are reliable.

 

[sdh3]

As a result of questions on a thread at this link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51377 and because IMO it is common knowledge amongst astrologers that checking a natal chart for correlations with transits is a basic requirement for all charts because the basic requirement is that any natal chart is a 'working chart', this is a thread for anyone interested in very basic chart rectification.

BASIC STEPS
List major life events such as academic rewards, degree, diplomas, exams passed, operations, hospital admissions of any kind, accidents, relocation to a new home, relocation abroad, marriages, divorces, births, deaths, starting first job, leaving old job, starting new job, anything important.

When looking back at transits for major events in life, as well as noting all aspects from transiting planets to the angles, remember to note in particular aspects from all the rulers of the ASC/MC/IC/DESC to other planets as well as to the angles themselves

If you focus on the seven visible planets to begin with, then you'll find that you have more than enough aspects to cope with - especially if you have many exact dates of events to check!

Btw exclude dates that are "give or take a couple of weeks" as being totally too inaccurate!

Specific dates for major events means the actual exact day as well as the precise time of the occurrence

- e.g. precise date AND time of giving birth... precise date and time of when your wife/partner/girlfriend gave birth to your child... precise date and time of being wheeled into the operating theater to have appendix removed... precise date and time of any accidents involving broken bones... precise date and time of first day at work... precise date and time of graduation award... precise date and time of car crashes... precise date and time of relocating to new home... precise date of when decree nisi granted... precise date of any relocation that resulted... precise date and time on official letter from hospital/medics giving diagnosis.... and/or precise date and time of appointment with doc/medic who delivered the news... precise date and time of graduation day...

(a) Health involves the physical body, hence examine transits to the ascendant, transits to the ascendant ruler and transits by the ascendant ruler to the angles/other planets on the specific day of any health issues

(b) divorce AND marriage BOTH involve transits to the Descendant, transits to the descendant ruler, and transits by the descendant ruler to the angles/other planets on the specific day of the decree nisi

(c) divorce AND marriage BOTH involve MC as well. So examine transits to MC and to MC ruler, as well as transits by MC ruler to any of the angles by conjunction, trine, square and/or opposition

Good idea to focus on the following basics when analyzing your data relating to specific dates and times of events:

(a) any planets on the angles, i.e. any planet conjunct, trine, square or opposing any angle.

(b) any ruler of any one of the four angles on any one of the angles. i.e. any ruling planet of any one of the four angles that is conjunct, trine, square or opposing any angle

No harm in learning basic rectification, don't be put off by thinking it is 'too difficult/complicated/puzzling' - it is an interesting and rewarding exercise.

Have fun! What you are sleuthing for are :

(a) transiting planets close to or at the degree of your ascendant/descendant for the given time of birth

(b) transiting planets close to or at the degree of your MC/IC for the given time of birth

IMO you may find it helpful to - as you continue to focus on the seven visible planets and the degrees they occupy on the specific dates and times you have chosen - to note in particular, IF on the same day a planet aspects by conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, trine:

(1) the approximate degree you currently have for the Ascendant

while another planet on the same day aspects by conjunction, opposition, square, sextile, trine:

(2) the approximate degree you currently have for the MC

It is common knowledge that traditional ancient astrology planet domiciles for each ascendant are as follows:

Aries Ascendant = Mars
Taurus Ascendant = Venus
Gemini Ascendant = Mercury
Cancer Ascendant = Moon
Leo Ascendant = Sun
Virgo Ascendant = Mercury
Libra Ascendant = Venus
Scorpio Ascendant = Mars
Sagittarius Ascendant = Jupiter
Capricorn Ascendant = Saturn
Aquarius Ascendant = Saturn
Pisces Ascendant = Jupiter
modern outers were simply not visible to ancient astrologers

who nevertheless successfully rectified charts

Rectification is an ancient technique at least two thousand years old
before modern outers could be observed with the aid of powerful telescopes.
An example of an ancient/traditional rectification technique
is the “...Animodar...” method of rectification which is explained at http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/animodar.html

Animodar is just one rectification technique of which there are many.
These are just the basics..
Good idea to assess/experiment with each method before drawing any firm conclusions.
Each astrologer has their own ideas as to which method is preferable

and examine/experiment with all methods to find the method you prefer


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Super helpful. Thanks

 

[JUPITERASC]

Super helpful. Thanks

That's no problem at all - welcome aboard
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