Now, I notice you used Pluto's supposedly combined energy signature as a comparison to how you view Ceres' astrological outflow. There is a criticism that certain sects of astrologers have of the more recent additions to the astrological planets - the fact that they can be divisible by other planetary signatures is an argument against them being on the same level as the more "fundamental" planets. For example - those of more ancient persuasion could look at the significations of Uranus and put all of its traits under the umbrella of the Sun, Mars and Mercury - for Neptune you could place its significations under Venus, Moon and Jupiter - with Pluto, the ruler-ships can fall under Mars, Saturn, Sun and Mercury. But one can't do the same to the planets from Sun to Saturn, there are "indivisible" and no combination of these planets could ever convincingly amount to a singular planet in the suite.
I find this argument compelling, and really my main argument against it is that the modern planetary archetypes take on associations that were formally connected to the traditional planets but may not be their best match, how venus was connected to innana and Ereshkigal to mars of the old sumerian descent myth, but i see the former as more like ceres and the latter is commonly seem more like pluto, just how the greek reimagining of the myth brought on these other gods
If Ceres is, as you say, the cultivating of one's image as a member of one's culture and status, what of Jupiter, who's has dominion over status, culture, what is popular/populist and success in public life? Being the paragon of a culture is very much under Jupiter's auspices, what do you think about Jupiter in this regard? Check out this link, and what it says about Jupiter - the issue of insignias and branding is covered under what Jupiter is said to represent
To be honest I feel like much of what this article says of Jupiter I would perscribe to Ceres instead, and haven't before heard assigned to Jupiter
things like totems and following trends. I see it as a conflation of little and big c culture a bit -- I can see Jupiter connected to big-c Culture, status and sophistication that is high in a hierarchy and reflects one's genuine ingratiation with what the world has to offer. being cultured in a jupiterian way is travelling abroad and having a wide ranging sense of what it means to be human and how to appreciate people's differences and respect difference ways to live, and recognize from an embodied global perspective values that are higher and lower. while cererian culture knowing when to shake hands, the proper gait to your walk, what particular slang means to particular people. jupiter appreciates the difference, ceres immerses in them.
but otherwise i feel like the offer overemphasizes a pretention to jupiter's religious and high-minded nature, connecting it to appease parents as a child. I find it to be more of a genuine (even when over-inflated) sense of conscience, morality, and do-goodery, even if its connected to wanting to appear good, too.
like i once read jupiter was connected to the gift-giving concept of some societies, where the rich gift away all their belongings to their community by throwing the best party ever to outdo everyone before them.
the pretention and appearance-focus is what i subscribe to ceres, the focus on what hits the senses as tasty and normal, which is more about fitting in and being at the center of a culture than being an exemplar of it... i think i used the word status for it too lightly
Do you have a source(s) for this information? I'd like to see how these ideas originated and how those conclusions were gotten to as a consequence of perusing the subject matter. If the source material isn't easily available for public consumption, I'd understand.
I wish I could find more on the philosophical trends of the turn of the 19th century but the little-c culture i reference came up in the article on culture in [FONT=Optima,sans-serif]
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Where's Mercury, Moon, Venus, Saturn, Jupiter located in your chart?
I have an 11th H Ceres in Scorpio, unattached to anything in the chart. What would that indicate, according to your theory?
mercury with my sun and ceres in virgo/2nd, moon with saturn in cap/6th, venus and jupiter in leo/1st
hmmmm i suppose your vision penetrates to the core of what makes a convention tick, how it clicks with people's emotions and influences them. picking up on how someone's word choices or haircut are chosen to get them to fit in better with their peers or strangers they want to show some connection to, or how some insight you have into them led them to choose the particular subculture they've latched onto. and maybe you use this awareness in contributing to causes 11th house stuff etc
I'm not sure if most astrologers are contending with the ideas around the relationship between culture and convention - it might simply be a niche that is vacant. On the other hand, you use terms that need to be unpacked because it isn't obvious to the layperson what you mean by these terms. What do you mean when you talk about "The idea of culture in its relationship with convention"? What classifies a culture as being "of the new age"?
the fact that the connection between culture and convention is so outside of the paradigm of modern astrology is part of what got me wondering where it belongs in the field -- coming to it with my BA in anthropology, where i focused on folklore, myth, and culture.
culture is a set of conventions in my mind, that are somewhat arbitrary but grounded in some sensual taste inherent to people. like corn syrup exploiting the body's desire for easy energy evolved to be satiated by fruit. by new age i mean our time of globalization and commercial culture, when before most people would only experience one culture their whole life, or else may be a chauvinist for their own culture, but our experience with multiple cultures and maybe being a part of more than one is becoming more common
Astrologers are very heterogeneous, some like to have their pet hobby away from the throngs of the masses, while others would like for it once again be taught in the universities and to accepted into the paradigm of modern academia and especially in the good graces of STEM fields. Many are quietist and only care about their own chart, while others try to use astrology to explain the broader world and social phenomena. Some astrologers don't want anything to do with planets beyond Saturn, while you have those who are eager to incorporate as much asteroids and Kuiper belt objects that they can cram into a chart.
i see how heterogeneous the approaches of astrologers are, but i feel like philosophically and by consequence culturally its still mostly in the shadow of the pluto-leo generation, which doesn't see itself in need to prove itself to science or take seriously the challenge of ending its poor reputation, often sees itself above it or otherwise incommensurate with it in a way that doesn't require critical self-reflection. there's this sense that astrology is at the end of reconciling science and religion and the masses need to catch up, not that there's something off or rotten in astrology that keeps it untouchable
in contrast meeting more fellow pluto-scorpios there's more people who were against astrology and have struggled to reconcile themselves to it, they are more fluent in scientific thinking and are more at peace and vocal about the shortcomings and delusions of astrology. they seem to be better at 'code switching' between astrology speak and how one speaks in other parts of their life. i dunno
I have an interpretation (according to mythology and to what other astrologers say) but maybe it's wrong.
