Specific Question!

[.madeleine.grace.]

Below, I have both a synastry chart 2 as well as a composite chart.

For context, I’m currently in a relationship. We’ve known each other for years. We both intend on marrying. We share a lot of the same values and we have the same career path. Our families approve. So does everyone who knows us for that matter! However, we both have been through a lot and struggle with ptsd and depression and adhd and anxiety. He’s open about this, so it is ok that I say that. I personally think that we can support each other in this healing process and even help each other to continue growing in a multitude of other ways as we have been doing. I’m just a little concerned that our own trauma will cause us both to tear the other apart over time.

The main question I have in mind is this: is this good marriage material and how so?
If you’re open to answering another question, I’d like to know if the trauma will do as I’m concerned of it doing. Thank you! If you have any questions/requests for more information or a different chart, feel free to say so. I do apologize for the previous thread being so confusing!

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

@Claire19 is this the chart you mentioned?

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

And @IleneK, is this better?

 

[thelivingsky]

Hello Madeleine Grace,
IMO a good composite chart has a strong Sun and a happy Moon and the good aspects outweigh the harsh ones. Also no luminaries in H6 or H12. Your qualifies. the opposition of Mars and Neptune is 7 degrees wide and the opposition of Saturn and Uranus is 9 degrees wide so I would not count them as aspects at all.

The Sun is strong in that is strengthened by a sextile to Saturn for stability and a trine to Uranus to add some excitement and unconventional qualities. I would also consider it to be conjunct Venus even though it is 9 degrees away because, as many astrologers do, I allow a much wider orb for aspects to the Sun and Moon. The Sun and Moon trine with Venus in the triene also. These are vey nice supporting aspects for the composite Sun.

Usually I say there should be no more than one hard aspect to the composite Moon and yours has a square to Jupiter and Pluto. Normally any square or opposition to Jupiter tends to be very inconsequential but because Pluto is there also it suggests strongly that the relationship will be emotionally intense and challenging. Robert Hand's book Planets in Composite says this about the comp. Moon square a comp. Pluto:

" a very intense encounter....brings up matter from your unconscious minds ... so that they have to be dealt with... don't try to be your partner's psychotherapist...

The synastry also has a Moon-Pluto aspect but a trine: with the Blue persons' Moon trine the Red person's Pluto. (I will assume your are the center chart in blue and your partner is the outer chart in red.) This trine suggests an ability to work positively with the Moon/Pluto energy, but again your relationship can be a trigger for each others trauma wounds,. Yet these can be opportunities for healing and understanding those wounds, but I hope you will avail yourself to professional guidance for learning skills to handle any of this.

The best aspects in synastry for long term relationship success IMO are good aspects (conjunction. trine, or sextile ) between each other's Sun s, or Moons, or Ascendants or any combination of these three. You have three and also your Sun falls on their N.Node. This is quite rare to have so many, so all 4 of these make for a very good prognosis:

Your Sun sextiles their Asc,
your Asc sextiles their Sun,
your Moon sextiles their Moon.

Good luck!

Barb at the livingsky

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

I am the Leo sun, he is the Capricorn sun.

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

Thank you so much @thelivingsky , your reading is much appreciated! I do wonder, you said towards the end that it was rare to have so many of those aspects in a relationship. How much would you say the average chart has?

 

[thelivingsky]

I have been collecting hundreds of charts mostly of celebrity marriages/romantic unions, but friends and clients too, and have found that the ones that fail almost always have none or just one or two combined with some very difficult aspects as well. Whereas almost all , about 90-95%, of the couples that seem to stay together for decades have at least two, and sometimes three of these combined with very few difficult aspects.

I just looked through my data of the long lasting unions, and I would say those that have at least 3 good aspects of Sun/Moon /Ascendant combinations and/or a N.node on one of these in their synastry are about 5-6%. I could only find 3 celebrity couples that had 4 of these aspects . They are Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash and Faith Hill and Tim McGraw. So, much less than 5%. I found only 2 in in my list of clients and families charts.

This seems to work with gay couples as well, with Gore Vidal and Howard Austen being a good example having 3 and a really good composite chart as well.

 

[thelivingsky]

Another caveat: The relationship charts, both synastry and composite, cannot reveal if one party or both are just a horrible persons or someone who is so emotionally damaged or immature to succeed in any relationship. That is a separate determination that individuals have to make on their own and best done before getting deeply involved. The birth charts can give clues to this however.

When I teach astrology I recommend my students take the birth chart of some notable villain such as Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler and do relationship charts with that person and themselves and some friend or family. You often will some good charts. But that surely does not mean that you would recommend they enter a significant intimate relationship with those people.

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

Another caveat: The relationship charts, both synastry and composite, cannot reveal if one party or both are just a horrible persons or someone who is so emotionally damaged or immature to succeed in any relationship. That is a separate determination that individuals have to make on their own and best done before getting deeply involved. The birth charts can give clues to this however.

When I teach astrology I recommend my students take the birth chart of some notable villain such as Charles Manson or Adolf Hitler and do relationship charts with that person and themselves and some friend or family. You often will some good charts. But that surely does not mean that you would recommend they enter a significant intimate relationship with those people.

That is very interesting. I’ve never thought of that before.

 

[.madeleine.grace.]

I have been collecting hundreds of charts mostly of celebrity marriages/romantic unions, but friends and clients too, and have found that the ones that fail almost always have none or just one or two combined with some very difficult aspects as well. Whereas almost all , about 90-95%, of the couples that seem to stay together for decades have at least two, and sometimes three of these combined with very few difficult aspects.

I just looked through my data of the long lasting unions, and I would say those that have at least 3 good aspects of Sun/Moon /Ascendant combinations and/or a N.node on one of these in their synastry are about 5-6%. I could only find 3 celebrity couples that had 4 of these aspects . They are Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward, Johnny Cash and June Carter Cash and Faith Hill and Tim McGraw. So, much less than 5%. I found only 2 in in my list of clients and families charts.

This seems to work with gay couples as well, with Gore Vidal and Howard Austen being a good example having 3 and a really good composite chart as well.

So me and Daniel are pretty rare, huh? I appreciate you taking the time to look into your notes.