The truth is private

[Sandman]

It is not my thread any more.

 

[JUPITERASC]

In my long life I had several situations where I was very closed to something that was hot in our media. Insider. In no case the media told the truth, truth in such way that the people really knew what's going on. It is speculation what the reason was, it might be different in every case. But it was interesting that the astrologers interpret the wrong story. Is modern astrology able to see if a media story is true or not? That was one reason why I opened the theme “Learning by doing”. What do you think about the truth?Sandman

Possibly - use horary
BobZemcos useful Summary of Horary for beginners as well as more experienced
The theory behind Horary is very simple:
1) there is a Question that weighs very heavily on your mind.
2) when you have a clear understanding
of what it is that you really want to know, you cast a chart
or an astrologer casts one for you
3) That freezes the Planets as they transit the heavens at that moment
- hence: Horary
4) the Rising Sign and Planet that rules the Rising Sign represents you

5) the House,
or often more correctly, the Sign that represents the Matter you're asking about
and the Planet that rules that Sign represents the Matter.
The Matter can be a person or a thing
or an idea like a rumor or a dream

6) the relationship between those two rulers
tells you what has happened, and what is yet to come.
That relationship is in the form of aspects.
If there are no aspects, then there is nothing to come.

7) the Moon plays a special dual-role
signifying the State of Mind of the Querent
and also how things play out, how they happen, and when they happen.
When there are no aspects formed by the Moon
ie it is Void of Course - then nothing will happen.
Note that there are a handful of
certain special select Horary Questions
where a Void of Course Moon is not relevant.
Those are often war, conflict or legal questions, or Questions related to Career.

8) in addition to forming aspects
those Planets must also have Perfect Reception, as opposed to simple Reception.
Reception is about "..allowing.."
For example if Mars is applying in aspect to Jupiter
and Jupiter receives Mars
then Jupiter is allowing Mars to act.
Jupiter is effectively saying, "..Go ahead and do that thing that you do.."
If Jupiter does not receive Mars
then Jupiter is effectively saying, "..Go away and leave me alone.
Go. Get out of here.,,"
If it is a Sign of Enmity, like Mars in Capricorn - the Fall of Jupiter
then Jupiter is effectively saying, "..Cease and Desist.
I will stop you from doing anything.
If necessary, I may even get violent to stop you.."
And that just might be the case if Jupiter were also in a Violent Sign
otherwise Jupiter would just keep slamming doors in your face.

9) How things actually play out depends a lot on the "..strength.."
of the Planets involved. The strength of the Planets indicates
their ability to do act and do things and carry out plans
and make things happen.
A Planet that is not just in its own Sign, but also in its Triplicity or Term
and is Direct in Motion, Fast in Speed, Angular or Succedent
in Hayz, in a trine aspect with Venus/Jupiter/Sun is very powerful.
That's a person with a purpose in life
who has both the will and ability to act and make things happen.

A Planet that is Slow in Speed, Retrograde, in Fall/Detriment, Cadent
and not in Sect or worse is Out-of Sect
isn't going to be able to do anything,
even when there is Perfect Reception in the chart
this person is going to botch every thing up
and turn a dream about ponies and gum-drops into a nightmare
because they don't have the strength or will to make things happen.

10) when charts have early/late Ascendants, Void of Course Moons
Moon via Combusta, Saturn in the 1st or 7th House
- when not a significator
you can look at the chart for reasons why you are getting those warnings.

Often a non-significator Planet is making an aspect
to one of the primary significators.
Sextiles and trines usually indicate on-going events
which first must be completed before anything can happen.
Conjunctions, squares and opposition usually indicate obstacles
that are preventing things from happening
and with the "..hard.." aspects sometimes things can still happen
if those obstacles can be overcome.

The condition and placement of the Moon/Ascendant Ruler
will tell you the State of Mind
and what kind of person the Querent is; good-hearted, or ambivalent
or in sheer terror, in a total panic, has the "..stink of desperation.."
or is immature and selfish, looking do to harm
or is someone you wouldn't let your dog go near.
The Planet that is the Quesited/Matter will tell you about them,
but not with the same clarity as the Querent.
A poorly placed 10th House Ruler might be a job you really don't want
because it ain't all that or isn't what you think it is.
A poorly placed 7th House Ruler is
someone you might not really want to be with,
or something you don't really want to buy and so on.

For a Planet - like the Ascendant Ruler - in Detriment,
it is important that it make an aspect to the 1st House
ie it is not inconjunct in the 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th Houses
and for other significators that it aspect the House it rules.
A Planet that is inconjunct to the House it rules can't witness
or give testimony to the affairs of that House.
That means it cannot control those events,
and being weak in Detriment has even less control
and less ability to effect outcomes.

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[Cap]

In my long life I had several situations where I was very closed to something that was hot in our media. Insider. In no case the media told the truth, truth in such way that the people really knew what's going on. It is speculation what the reason was, it might be different in every case. But it was interesting that the astrologers interpret the wrong story.

Is modern astrology able to see if a media story is true or not?

That was one reason why I opened the theme “Learning by doing”.

What do you think about the truth?


Sandman

As pointed by JA above, you can use horary to investigate if the information or rumour is true or false but the technique is a bit different than standard horary question and usually doesn't involve aspects.

3rd house and L3 represent information or rumour.
Inspect the condition of L1, L3, Moon and Moon's dispositor.
If they are in fixed signs and angular houses, this is testimony for truth.
Alternatively, they should be at least in fixed signs and succedent houses.
Chart angles in fixed signs is testimony for truth.
Condition of the 3rd house, for example debilitated Saturn in the 3rd house is testimony for false.
In general, fixity and angularity carry the sense of solidity and truth.

 

[aqualovebot]

Going off of both Cap and JupiterASC - I would definitely recommend going the route of horary. However - I find my answers to be much more accurate when asking the question plainly. For example If the rumour is that my coworker may be pregnant - utalzing L3 would be useless - I would have a much more easier (and accurate!) time using L7 then looking for a connection with their turned L5 - if the rumour is much more harder for me to visualize in the chart for example Will the sun combust in 2027 -then I would look at L3.

 

[Cap]

Going off of both Cap and JupiterASC - I would definitely recommend going the route of horary. However - I find my answers to be much more accurate when asking the question plainly. For example If the rumour is that my coworker may be pregnant - utalzing L3 would be useless - I would have a much more easier (and accurate!) time using L7 then looking for a connection with their turned L5 - if the rumour is much more harder for me to visualize in the chart for example Will the sun combust in 2027 -then I would look at L3.

Yes, of course. one should avoid using "Is the rumour true?" approach whenever possible and ask direct question instead.
One possible use of 3rd house approach would be to check if the news story is true or not.
News stories we get are basically rumours. People, organizations, governments and media lie all the time.

 

[Opal]

In my long life I had several situations where I was very closed to something that was hot in our media. Insider. In no case the media told the truth, truth in such way that the people really knew what's going on. It is speculation what the reason was, it might be different in every case. But it was interesting that the astrologers interpret the wrong story.

Is modern astrology able to see if a media story is true or not?

That was one reason why I opened the theme “Learning by doing”.

What do you think about the truth?


Sandman

I would hazard to say yes, it can. But, astrologers are human and can be wrong, or biased.

Truth is subjective, to each subject?

One person’s truth is another person’s bull patootey!

I like astroseek’s charts for the ability to look at the planets movements throughout incidents, for minute by minute charts.

For incidents, I like the known event time in the center, and the known or unknown time, of whoever on the outside.

 

[FraterAC]

Truth is subjective, to each subject?

One person’s truth is another person’s bull patootey!

This IMHO is what has given us the era of "alternative facts." That is, contrary assertions unsupported by or incapable of being supported by, actual events.
That said, there is of course a huge subjective element in astrological practice, for a variety of reasons; mostly having to do with the differences in being of the practitioners, but also because we are trying to understand how the cosmos works, which humans (all of us) can hardly help but struggle with.

I mean more than rocks in space when I say cosmos.

 

[JUPITERASC]

If we both look at the same place at the same time
and you say there is a cat eating a mouse and I say
that is not true but there is just a dog making love with another dog

Perception is dependent on numerous factors

then even one of us is mad.
You understand what I mean?

not necessarily
e.g.
THEORETICAL PHYSICS EXPERIMENT
- a wave
simultaneously
- a particle
&
vice versa

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[JUPITERASC]

That is not the point.

not all would agree

Of course we can say that this tree in front of my balcony is not green.
But that ist really the truth because the colour is not part of the tree
but that is not the question here.

dependent on perspective

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[JUPITERASC]

You make the mistake of believing that the difference between the press release and the truth is a decision between lie and truth and that this depends subjectively on the viewer. I'm ending this conversation now because you're conducting it dishonestly.

any excuse is better than none
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/index.php?threads/is-this-spamming.148765/.

 

[Opal]

This IMHO is what has given us the era of "alternative facts." That is, contrary assertions unsupported by or incapable of being supported by, actual events.
That said, there is of course a huge subjective element in astrological practice, for a variety of reasons; mostly having to do with the differences in being of the practitioners, but also because we are trying to understand how the cosmos works, which humans (all of us) can hardly help but struggle with.

I mean more than rocks in space when I say cosmos.

Perspectives. Some people believe this, and others that. That will always be.

 

[Opal]

If we both look at the same place at the same time
and you say there is a cat eating a mouse and I say
that is not true but there is just a dog making love with another dog
then even one of us is mad.
You understand what I mean?

Yes, I believe I am mad! I saw a cat gifting the mouse to a dog that needed a bribe for his girlfriend!

 

[Opal]

You make the mistake of believing that the difference between the press release and the truth is a decision between lie and truth and that this depends subjectively on the viewer. I'm ending this conversation now because you're conducting it dishonestly.

If you believe the media, then you will be let down. If you decide what you believe for yourself, based on the facts reported, and using the timeline give, and the astrology of the times, you make your own conclusions based on what you see. The media, is owned. And paid for.

 

[FraterAC]

Perspectives. Some people believe this, and others that. That will always be.

Beliefs are one thing, facts are another. Everything is NOT subjective. All beliefs or opinions are NOT equal.
Made up stories and made up bits of data are not equal to events or facts.
Misinformation is not truth.

 

[waybread]

Normally we don't close or delete threads if other people respond to the OP. Your OP was general enough that a variety of responses would fit. You can always clarify what you mean if you wish to steer the discussion in a particular direction.

 

[JUPITERASC]

Please close and delete this thread, mods.
There are no posts that fit to the problem.
There are other topics being discussed here.

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