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Cosmiccradle

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I believe many astrologers in periods past were blessed with the "divine spark" giving them insight to matters now lost. It is probably one of the most interesting positions in astrology. I believe in it. I would certainly like to spend years working this out till it is something you can count on. But that would mean blindly doing hundreds of charts and later receiving the given birth time (which are also often wrong) I'm not in that position. Do any of you use this to rectify the birth time and if so how accurate do you find it?
 
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It is probably one of the most interest positions in astrology. I believe in it. I would certainly like to spend years working this out till it is something you can count on. But that would mean blindly doing hundreds of charts and later receiving the given birth time. I'm not in that position. Do any of you use this to rectify the birth time?
NOTE FOR THOSE INTERESTED :)
instructions at http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
are very clear and detailed where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH
Keep in mind that
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch :smile:
The method requires time to process, read, study

& follow those instructions

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NOTE FOR THOSE INTERESTED :)
instructions at http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
are very clear and detailed where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH
Keep in mind that
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch :smile:
The method requires time to process, read, study

& follow those instructions

.
I would prefer normal lettering in answer to my post if it is not too much inconvenience for you.
 
NOTE FOR THOSE INTERESTED :)
instructions at http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
are very clear and detailed where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH
Keep in mind that
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch :smile:
The method requires time to process, read, study

& follow those instructions

.
I've just checked the Trutine of Hermes, and it didn't really line up with me. My mom told me that I was born on due date (in Vietnam, but it's actually a late birth, 13 days late), and according to the Trutine of Hermes, if you have a Moon that is decreasing in light and below the horizon, then the gestation period will be shorter than normal. But I'm actually a late borner (although I have a Moon in Libra below the horizon and decreasing in light)
 
I've just checked the Trutine of Hermes, and it didn't really line up with me. My mom told me that I was born on due date (in Vietnam, but it's actually a late birth, 13 days late), and according to the Trutine of Hermes, if you have a Moon that is decreasing in light and below the horizon, then the gestation period will be shorter than normal. But I'm actually a late borner (although I have a Moon in Libra below the horizon and decreasing in light)
Impossible for me to comment on it seeing I do not possess your data. But I take it that your calculations or the program used are correct and that it does not comply with your time. What you also may try is the "quickening" period and calculate from there.
 
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instructions at http://www.rosicrucian.com/zineen/pamen034.htm
are very clear and detailed where it is titled THE PRENATAL EPOCH
Keep in mind that
the Trutine of Hermes is aka The Prenatal Epoch :smile:
The method requires time to process, read, study

& follow those instructions

keep in mind
360,000 born worldwide daily
:)


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Please note cosmicradle's reply in #3; 'I would prefer normal lettering in answer to my post if it is not too much inconvenience for you.'
 
Impossible for me to comment on it seeing I do not possess your data. But I take it that your calculations or the program used are correct and that it does not comply with your time. What you also may try is the "quickening" period and calculate from there.
What is the quickening period? I haven't heard about it till now.
 
Church of Light literature says the Prenatal Epoch method of rectification is about 70% accurate IF the birth time is known within 30 minutes or so. I've used it in a few cases to adjust/rectify some known times (including my own) and it has appeared to give good results.
If the birth time is completely unknown, I'd say it would be necessary to use other techniques to get the birth time closer, then apply the Prenatal Epoch. Secondary (aka Major) progressions may enable you to get the progressed Moon within a degree plus or minus, and then Minor progressions of the Moon to tighten that up. I've used that a few times with credible results.
Secondary progressions in this application would definitely need to be Bija corrected (ie use the Sidereal, not the Solar, day). To put it another way, use 24 hours of Sidereal Time, not 24 hours of clock time, as the definition of a day in the "day for a year" calculation.

One resource to review for the general concept might be the Zipporah Dobyns book Progressions, Directions and Rectification. For general guidance on progressions, C. C. Zain (Elbert Benjamine) Natal Astrology: Part 2, Progressing the Horoscope. In the Primer of Sidereal Astrology by Cyril Fagan and R. C. Firebrace the concept of Bija correction is put forward, but because of the way it's calculated, it's not at all intuitive what exactly they're doing IMO.
 
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I believe many astrologers in periods past were blessed with the "divine spark" giving them insight to matters now lost. It is probably one of the most interesting positions in astrology. I believe in it. I would certainly like to spend years working this out till it is something you can count on. But that would mean blindly doing hundreds of charts and later receiving the given birth time (which are also often wrong) I'm not in that position.

Do any of you use this to rectify the birth time and if so how accurate do you find it?

Trutine of Hermes is a rectification concept

discussed briefly by Ben Dykes translation of

Abu Bakr - volume 2 persian nativities


https://bendykes.com/product/persian-nativities-ii-umar-al-tabari-abu-bakr/
The adapted form of Trutine of Hermes
is described in Bailey's '.Pre-Natal Epoch
..'


However, there are matters to be considered before making judgment :)
i.e.
1. Was the person conceived at the same place as they were born?
If they were not
adjustments in calculation must be made.

2.
And by far the most important is
whether or not the person had an entirely natural birth

or complications during birth.
because
There is a natural cycle between conception & birth.

If conceived on a specific day & time
then will be born on a specific day at a specific time.
These days & times sync perfectly with the genetic flow of the family line :)
HOWEVER
IF there is any medical '..assistance..'

i.e. cesarean, induction, forceps
mother being drugged unconscious et al
THEN these rectification techniques cannot possibly work.

Cesarean is worst
because
the infant is often born completely out of their natural cycle.

Induction is the second worst for the same reason
- though children born through induction
try their best to at least get born at a time that is
at least somewhat compatible with
that of their conception
& the genetic flow of the family line.

The other forms of interference
may sometimes be allowed for.

The present consistent interference with this natural flow

- by resorting to medical processes
was not possible when these techniques were derived :)
and
therefore couldn't be considered.


So Trutine of Hermes - for determining the actual time of birth
can only be applied if the person had a fully natural birth


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Church of Light literature says the Prenatal Epoch method of rectification is about 70% accurate IF the birth time is known within 30 minutes or so. I've used it in a few cases to adjust/rectify some known times (including my own) and it has appeared to give good results.
If the birth time is completely unknown, I'd say it would be necessary to use other techniques to get the birth time closer, then apply the Prenatal Epoch. Secondary (aka Major) progressions may enable you to get the progressed Moon within a degree plus or minus, and then Minor progressions of the Moon to tighten that up. I've used that a few times with credible results.
Secondary progressions in this application would definitely need to be Bija corrected (ie use the Sidereal, not the Solar, day). To put it another way, use 24 hours of Sidereal Time, not 24 hours of clock time, as the definition of a day in the "day for a year" calculation.

One resource to review for the general concept might be the Zipporah Dobyns book Progressions, Directions and Rectification. For general guidance on progressions, C. C. Zain (Elbert Benjamine) Natal Astrology: Part 2, Progressing the Horoscope. In the Primer of Sidereal Astrology by Cyril Fagan and R. C. Firebrace the concept of Bija correction is put forward, but because of the way it's calculated, it's not at all intuitive what exactly they're doing IMO.
That is indeed a good method, I also use it.
 
Here is what Alice Portman (well known Australia Astrologer) gave me, that I think most fits - but it took looking at 3 conception charts to decide which one to go with. She suggested I ask my mother questions, but she is not longer alive and always said I was born at precisely 5:11 and was a long birth process being the first child.
My ASC is 21:56 Cancer so the 22 degree Cancer Alice came up with on the program could be the location or the slight variation by minutes in the birth (she thinks its 2 minutes later)

SO, if this pre-natal epoch is the correct one, i.e. April 23, 1946 - I posted my mom's natal above with transits for that day. I always thought 1:15 in the afternoon was a weird time of day for hanky-panky, but it was during the WW2 years, so everything was different then too depending on where they actually were.
 

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