Will Mariah be home soon?

[Moondancing]

My neighbor came home to a note from his 16 yr. old granddaughter that she is running away from home. She took her savings from the bank and from her grandfather reading her diary, he believes she is with a man he forbid her to continue seeing. He called the police and through her phone they have been able to see she has left the state. They will continue to monitor their movements and I suspect they will find her and bring her home.

I gave Mariah the 7th house cusp ruled by Mars. Moon in Cancer just left a square to Mars and next makes a sextile to Venus and moves to a trine with Saturn and the final aspect Moon makes is a square to Mercury. Moon applying to Venus (signifying her grandfather, 4th house from her turned 4th house) shows her returning to her grandfather. Moon to Venus is 6 degrees so I suspect the least amount of time would be 6 days.

Anyone have thoughts on my interpretation or see other facts shown in this chart?

 

[IleneK]

Not much experience with this kind of question but here is how it appears to me.
Your neighbor is the signified by the 3rd ruled by Jup. His child by the turned 5th or radical 7th and the granddaughter by the radical 11th ruled by Sun.
Sun is peregrine in the 8th which points to the dire situation. But Moon is strong in its dignity which is favorable. And it looks like Sun meets Jup in about 5 degrees, which points to a reunion between gf and gd?

 

[Hwistle]

Did your neighbour ask the question to you? Or is it you who are asking the question about your neighbour's issue?

 

[Moondancing]

I had asked the question the question about Mariah. Simplest method to determining ruler. Moon squaring Mars tells the story of someone acting rashly on her emotions without considering the consequences, I feel supported Mars being her significator. Also the radical chart has Moon in 10th house of the mother, her note blamed the fact both her mother and father abandoned her and to this day do not participate in her life.

Relationship with the grandfather and me is multi-faceted. He's a neighbor, friend and someone with whom a strong bond is developing. So I felt he was not the strongest person to make sure I got the significator right, it's her. When I saw her gf was 4th house from her turned 4th house of her father, it made sense that Venus signifies him.

The problem with the Sun for the gd is no aspect shows her running away from home. Turned Mars in 1st and Moon in 4th, does, imo. As far as timing, I'm considering there is a degree between Moon and Mars separation. It was 5 hours when I asked the question. Therefore, Moon being 6 degrees away from Venus and 5 times 6 equals 30 hours? She could be home by 10pm tonight. That makes more sense than days especially that the police have a lock on her phone and is tracking her.

I hope I'm just not making the chart to fit the story. We may know soon.

 

[Moondancing]

The police have not located Mariah or brought her home. The man they thought she left with is still in this area. With Mars being strong in it's own sign, I feel this may show her traveling on her own. It dawned on me the sextile with Venus, ruler of 7th house, could be someone she plans to connect with. Mars leaving an opposition with the radical Asc, would show her leaving her grandfather. But Venus could represent someone elsewe, no? Maybe it is the trine to Saturn, radical 4th house ruler, showing her returning to her grandfather?

I will write when there is more to report.

 

[Moondancing]

The police have learned she had been trying to get a passport before she ran away. They asked the grandfather about the names she has been calling and he didn't know any of them. He wondered how she knew these people, she's either at school, work, or home and I let him know she probably met them online and only communicated through private online sources that can't be traced. Good deal of worry now that she has met-up with the human trafficking element of our society. Mars in it's own sign, doing it's worse?

Thankfully she will get a final paycheck and when she goes to withdraw the money, the police will be alerted.

 

[Moondancing]

All the names that her grandfather knew nothing about, turned out to be bogus telephone numbers. :-(

 

[Moondancing]

Given that the Moon makes a sextile to Venus before it reaches Saturn, that means she will not be coming home. Especially, with strong Venus being in the troubling 8th house?

Just as the Moon reaching another planet before it gets to your significator in a relationship horary, blocks you from the relationship you ask about. She is gone.

 

[Moondancing]

That last post proclaiming she is gone was me very upset about the bogus telephone numbers and everyone the grandfather talks to tells him she is gone. But, I'm going to stick to the belief that the Moon making a trine to Saturn ruler of 4th house show her coming home. Both lights are above the horizon, Mars, Mariah's ruler is very strong, whatever situation she's in, she's in control. Plus, it is in conj. with the NN.

Venus is strong but in the 8th house shows a dangerous situation, imo. It makes a sextile to Saturn in 2 degrees. Saturn in the sixth house could represent the police. The FBI has taken charge of the case.

I believe I have the right signiture for Mariah. If we use the grandfather as my friend, 11th house, the 5th house from his son's 5th house from 11th, is the 7th house. The Sun, gf, and Venus, me, in the 8th radical describes the worry we feel for her safety. He spends his time playing his music and we go for walks or sit by the lake to keep present and try not to be overwhelmed.

It helps to write this out.

 

[Moondancing]

Update: The police called to say Mariah was identified by a stewardess on a flight to New York on Friday. The flight log does not show her name and determined she has changed her name. The Moon has reached it's trine to Saturn 8 days since asking the horary. Mariah is not at home with her grandfather but what has transpired because Saturn is in Pisces is that her grandfather is open to the idea Mariah is making a new home and life for herself and backed off the idea that she be brought home to live with him. Where he was beating himself up for failing her, he now takes pride that he raised her to become her own woman who can find her way in life.

New York is a dangerous city but except for the last two years she has live her life on the dangerous streets of Detroit where you have to grow up quick. It's no wonder she couldn't do life in the suburbs anymore. He now believes she has found like-minded people who have the skills to make her disappear. Venus is in her own sign. Mars is the strongest planet and I believe it shows she is in charge of what happens to her.

Final aspect is Moon squaring Mercury, lord of 9th and 12th house. Not sure this comes into play as it is out of orb. This will probably be my last update.

 

[katydid]

Update: The police called to say Mariah was identified by a stewardess on a flight to New York on Friday. The flight log does not show her name and determined she has changed her name. The Moon has reached it's trine to Saturn 8 days since asking the horary. Mariah is not at home with her grandfather but what has transpired because Saturn is in Pisces is that her grandfather is open to the idea Mariah is making a new home and life for herself and backed off the idea that she be brought home to live with him. Where he was beating himself up for failing her, he now takes pride that he raised her to become her own woman who can find her way in life.

New York is a dangerous city but except for the last two years she has live her life on the dangerous streets of Detroit where you have to grow up quick. It's no wonder she couldn't do life in the suburbs anymore. He now believes she has found like-minded people who have the skills to make her disappear. Venus is in her own sign. Mars is the strongest planet and I believe it shows she is in charge of what happens to her.

Final aspect is Moon squaring Mercury, lord of 9th and 12th house. Not sure this comes into play as it is out of orb. This will probably be my last update.

Thank you for these fascinating updates. I am sorry you don't have all the answers yet but it is good that she was seen and identified and that she seems to be voluntarily 'missing.' I hope the people who are 'helping' her are sincere and not just manipulative. I guess that remains to be seen.

"Moon squaring Mercury, lord of 9th and 12th house"

I'm not sure what that means here, either. The first thing that comes to mind for me though---Mercury, lord of 12th--could that mean that her 'friends' may begin to try 12th house manuevers, like offering her drugs and trying to lure her into 12th house situations? I guess we have to have faith in her own abilities to take control and make the right decisions. And as you say, it is out of orb so it may never come into 0play--maybe she just sees the threat and is able to overcome the danger and moves into safety?

 

[Moondancing]

Indeed, she left of her own will. In her note to her grandfather she said, "I'm gone. I'm making a new life for myself. Someday, I hope I see you again." She's not mad at her grandfather, she was always looking out for him and messaging him of her whereabouts and what she was up to.

12 house is of great concern given Saturn is there in the derived chart. Could show she has withdrawn from the world and she most definitely has done that with her family. Lots to worry about that placement. We just don't know.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, katydid.

 

[Moondancing]

The beauty of people coming together. A story about how the stewardess came to recognize Mariah on her flight to New York. Mariah's grandfather has been a blues musician all his life and belongs to an organization for such musicians all over the world. The GF has posted on their websites about his gd missing. A blues musician took note of the posting because he lived in Indiana and that is where the gd was last seen. The man told his wife, who is a flight attendant and she said she recognized the girl and contacted the police.

You'd think you could get lost in NY but when you forge documents, that is a federal crime, and with a camera on every corner of NY and your picture identifying you, there is hope.

 

[leomoon]

When we were teenagers in the big city of Baltimore, a friend of ours did the same thing back in the 1970s, left for New York City with a guy. She stayed for many years, and I always imagined him as her pimp and drug connection. Finally she did get out returned to her family (of sorts) many years later in her 40s., her younger years behind her.

I always wondered if I had not asked my group of friends (her included) to go to New York with me for a weekend trip in a new car I had purchased in the late 60s, if Arlene (her name) would not have had the idea to go there onto the glitzy lit streets of Manhattan. But maybe I was giving myself too much credit for what was strictly her idea anyway. She came from a troubled home life. I recall another girl we knew from school asking me if I wanted to run away with her to New York and she would take care of me and earn the money. I said it sounded exciting, but I'd miss my mother and wouldn't want her to worry which she would. I'm just not that adventurous . It takes a certain kind of kid. Arlene was a Scorpio, and I'm wondering the Sun Sign of Mariah?

 

[Moondancing]

Mariah is an Aquarian and her Sun is conj. the NN. and Neptune with Mars making a trine to this config. A rare and interesting combination! She is not without skills to protect herself. Her grandfather made sure she took karate as a youngster and she went on to do weight lifting and has won state championships.

 

[Moondancing]

The police have recovered pictures of Mariah and the man at the gas station near us the day she left. They were walking hand in hand to the store after pumping their gas. The man is from Indiana according to license plates and drove here to pick her up. It is likely she met him online and you'd like to think they are two people who fell in love except for the fact the man has skills at hiding his real name and the telephone number, which the police don't know how he did that. My fear is the car will disappear and any trace of information of the man who drove it. We learned Federal laws have changed and 16 yr olds are now considered adults and the FBI no longer helps find these children.

Human trafficking is a huge business in the U.S. Second only to the sale of weapons.

 

[Moondancing]

Mariah was picked up by the police in Indiana today and her aunt is on her way to bring her home!

It has been 16 days which correlates to the degrees Moon makes it's final aspect to Mercury.