Would you have booked a seat on this flight? The Vinhedo plane crash.

[ElenaJ]

Why did this plane crash???

At the time contact was lost with the plane and it began a spiral descent there was a grand trine including the ascendent ruler, jupiter, with moon and POF.

"On 9 August 2024, Voepass Linhas Aéreas Flight 2283, an ATR-72-500 flying a scheduled domestic Brazilian passenger flight from Cascavel to Guarulhos with 58 passengers and 4 crew members on board, crashed in Vinhedo, São Paulo, after entering what appeared to be a flat spin.
The aircraft was traveling from Cascavel in the state of Paraná to the city of São Paulo.

In the area of the accident, there was an active SIGMET advisory for severe icing from 12,000 to 21,000 feet (3,700 to 6,400 m). Meteorological reports at the time of the accident indicated that areas of turbulence, thunderstorms and icing were present in areas surrounding the accident. The Brazilian Air Force said in a statement that the flight did not declare an emergency.

According to Flightradar24, the aircraft was cruising at 17,000 feet (5,200 m) when, at 13:21 local time, the aircraft experienced a brief loss of altitude then briefly gained altitude. Shortly thereafter, the aircraft entered what appeared to be a flat and a steep and terminal descent. The last data transmission and loss of radar contact occurred at 13:22, before the crash. ADS-B data indicated that the aircraft had reached a maximum vertical descent rate of 24,000 feet per minute (120 m/s).

 

[Chrysalis]

Mars-Jupiter in Gemini can show airline/transportation disasters.
But Mercury/Venus on the Mc is confusing me because this is a positive signature, even though yes Venus is in her fall. Mercury/Venus could represent some sort of agreement. For example VE day (the end of WW2) 8th May 1945 had a Mercury/Venus conjunction in Aries.

 

[Chrysalis]

Also, taking into account Saturn rx, which is tightly square the Asc. Saturn being a cold hard planet, could represent the icing (particularly because it's in Pisces). Saturn does also afflict both Mars/Jupiter which is the crash itself.

 

[ElenaJ]

Also, taking into account Saturn rx, which is tightly square the Asc. Saturn being a cold hard planet, could represent the icing (particularly because it's in Pisces). Saturn does also afflict both Mars/Jupiter which is the crash itself.

good observation
Saturn is cold, retro approaching square with the arc ruler jupiter.


It was very sudden. Any uranus effect?

 

[Chrysalis]

good observation
Saturn is cold, retro approaching square with the arc ruler jupiter.


It was very sudden. Any uranus effect?

No Uranus is not having any effect from what I can see.
The only thing that could indicate the suddenness was that Jup/Saturn were both fast in motion, but Mars was average.
However, because Gemini is a fast-moving sign, the suddenness could be due to the sign.

 

[ElenaJ]

Looking again at the chart the moon trine jupiter, which looks at first glance very positive, represents the 8th house of death (moon) and the ascendent (jupiter) plus the 4th of endings (jupiter).
Saturn exactly square ascendent, in a water sign ruled by jupiter, might be the key, as Chrysalis wrote.

 

[Chrysalis]

Eight cancer doctors among dead in Brazil plane crash – as seven others changed flight at last minute​

Mercury/Venus on the MC just doesnt make sense IF it was to do with icing.

 

[ElenaJ]

Eight cancer doctors among dead in Brazil plane crash – as seven others changed flight at last minute​

Mercury/Venus on the MC just doesnt make sense IF it was to do with icing.

Mercury/venus in virgo, the sign of medicine and at the top of the chart... they are the ones highlighted in the global news.

 

[Nexus7]

Venus is exact on the Midheaven. I don't see how that could herald a crash, more like a cloister of nuns going to visit artwork at the Vatican? Or attending a lecture on art though with the chart ruler, although with Saturn squaring it and Mars, maybe the lecture or visit might have Bern in danger of getting cancelled?

Wouldn't Saturn square ascendant augur more delays than anything sinister?

It would have to be something tightly aspecting either of the four angles, to make any sense. How many other flights were there on that day with similar takeoff times that had that signature? Surely, several. Again, delays is the thi g that comes most to light.

No air carrier is going to get worked up over Mercury being retrograde, the show has to go on. As it does with Grand Crosses involving Saturn, Uranus and Pluto. That latter was the case in March 2014. I don't know whether others of these Charts had Neptune on the IC. If I'd seen the chart of the MH370 I might have thought there could be a lot of lost luggage to be worried about. But not the loss of the whole plane.

Charts for the pilots? Does anything in their charts mirror the patterns in the chart for this ill-fated flight? They did in the case of the MH370.

 

[ElenaJ]

Can anyone find the departure time of the flight?

Charts for the pilots?

might be too early for that.

 

[Chrysalis]

Okay, I've looked at the midpoints as the MC with Merc/Venus and Moon/Jupiter trine have confused me regarding whats happened, as the signatures don't fit.

Mc squares Mars/Uranus @ 5°14 Gemini which shows the aeroplane explosion.
Uranus squares Sun/Mc @26°23 Leo which was the suddenness of it.
Sun squares Pluto/Mc @17.50 Scorpio, in certain instances a Sun/Pluto configuration can signify removing people out of power or removing important people etc. For example: Princess Diana's death had a separating Sun/Pluto square.

There are more but I need to come back to it.

 

[ElenaJ]

Okay, I've looked at the midpoints as the MC with Merc/Venus and Moon/Jupiter trine have confused me regarding whats happened, as the signatures don't fit.

Mc squares Mars/Uranus @ 5°14 Gemini which shows the aeroplane explosion.
Uranus squares Sun/Mc @26°23 Leo which was the suddenness of it.
Sun squares Pluto/Mc @17.50 Scorpio, in certain instances a Sun/Pluto configuration can signify removing people out of power or removing important people etc. For example: Princess Diana's death had a separating Sun/Pluto square.

There are more but I need to come back to it.

Well done, thanks

 

[Nexus7]

Venus is exact on the Midheaven. I don't see how that could herald a crash, more like a cloister of nuns going to visit artwork at the Vatican? Or attending a lecture on art though with the chart ruler, although with Saturn squaring it and Mars, maybe the lecture or visit might have been in danger of getting cancelled?

Wouldn't Saturn square ascendant augur more delays than anything sinister?

It would have to be something tightly aspecting either of the four angles, to make any sense. How many other flights were there on that day with similar takeoff times that had that signature? Surely, several. Again, delays is the thing that comes most to mind.

No air carrier is going to get worked up over Mercury being retrograde, the show has to go on. As it does with Grand Crosses involving Saturn, Uranus and Pluto. That latter was the case in March 2014. I don't know whether others of these Charts had Neptune on the IC. If I'd seen the chart of the MH370 I might have thought there could be a lot of lost luggage to be worried about. But not the loss of the whole plane.

Charts for the pilots? Does anything in their charts mirror the patterns in the chart for this ill-fated flight? They did in the case of the MH370.

 

[Nexus7]

Okay, I've looked at the midpoints as the MC with Merc/Venus and Moon/Jupiter trine have confused me regarding whats happened, as the signatures don't fit.

Mc squares Mars/Uranus @ 5°14 Gemini which shows the aeroplane explosion.
Uranus squares Sun/Mc @26°23 Leo which was the suddenness of it.
Sun squares Pluto/Mc @17.50 Scorpio, in certain instances a Sun/Pluto configuration can signify removing people out of power or removing important people etc. For example: Princess Diana's death had a separating Sun/Pluto square.

There are more but I need to come back to it.

Excellent work, and these midpoints seem to nail it! And they involve the angles too.

 

[ElenaJ]

Spoke with a friend who was a flight engineer who explained some things to me. Bear with me in case you already know this.
They've recovered the black box from the plane, and a lot of info will be available from that, it is being analysed at the moment.
The info on wikipedia that I quoted at the beginning of this thread mentions the weather conditions, with "severe icing" between 12,000-21,000 feet, and the plane was at 17,000 feet when it entered this area.
The plane went into a "flat spin" which my friend compared to spinning a knife on a table top.
And he described the scene in the film Top Gun where Tom Cruise was following his instructor's plane too closely and the wet air from the plane ahead froze on the wings of Cruise's plane, causing it to go into a flat spin. The plane just drops because there is no air flow over the wing to hold it up.
If the plane is spinning backwards, there is nothing to be done to pull it out.
The plane can go into a deep stall, and it just drops from the sky.

This would closely relate to cold saturn in watery pisces.

 

[Chrysalis]

Spoke with a friend who was a flight engineer who explained some things to me. Bear with me in case you already know this.
They've recovered the black box from the plane, and a lot of info will be available from that, it is being analysed at the moment.
The info on wikipedia that I quoted at the beginning of this thread mentions the weather conditions, with "severe icing" between 12,000-21,000 feet, and the plane was at 17,000 feet when it entered this area.
The plane went into a "flat spin" which my friend compared to spinning a knife on a table top.
And he described the scene in the film Top Gun where Tom Cruise was following his instructor's plane too closely and the wet air from the plane ahead froze on the wings of Cruise's plane, causing it to go into a flat spin. The plane just drops because there is no air flow over the wing to hold it up.
If the plane is spinning backwards, there is nothing to be done to pull it out.
The plane can go into a deep stall, and it just drops from the sky.

This would closely relate to cold saturn in watery pisces.

Which brings me back to the midpoint analysis, as also Moon was exactly square the Mercury/Uranus mp (00°01") which suggests a sense of alarm or emergency (Mercury/Uranus) due to shifting conditions that required quick adaptation and reorientation (Moon/Uranus).
So it does seem like the plane unfortunately lost control due to Saturn Rx which must have been the icing/weather conditions.

 

[ElenaJ]

Which brings me back to the midpoint analysis, as also Moon was exactly square the Mercury/Uranus mp (00°01") which suggests a sense of alarm or emergency (Mercury/Uranus) due to shifting conditions that required quick adaptation and reorientation (Moon/Uranus).
So it does seem like the plane unfortunately lost control due to Saturn Rx which must have been the icing/weather conditions.

Yes, it does look like the midpoints in this chart are the key.

 

[Chrysalis]

Yes, it does look like the midpoints in this chart are the key.

Charts that often lack relevance to the occurrence or query, midpoints bring them to life.

 

[ElenaJ]

Charts that often lack relevance to the occurrence or query, midpoints bring them to life.

It's as though the concentration of energies at that point gain strength.

 

[ElenaJ]

The Black Box has been found and is being examined.
Several aviation experts are pointing the finger at ice on the wings...... Saturn.... as the cause of the crash.

"The two-hour recording reveals the copilot asked the pilot 'what is going on?', and saying the plane needed 'more power' to be stabilized."

Several passengers booked on the flight missed it for one reason or another.
It would be fascinating to compare charts of those on the flight, and those who missed it, thus saving their lives.

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